Dana White saying Mayweather would....

[Foreign Soil]

I clearly said the great ko artists of boxing. Not just any boxer. I dont buy that bigger gloves allow you to punch harder. They might allow you to punch MORE, but far more damage over a short period of time is done by a smaller glove than a larger one. What made/makes Floyd's hands brittle is the prolonged damage accrued on them over round after round and punch after punch. It could also be argued that far less damage is sustained to the hands due to the ability to end a contest sooner with less punches thrown in an mma match than in a boxing match. Don't know if you've laced up, but boxing gloves can be awkward things. A thumb can get caught up or the hand can otherwise be out of alignment to be injured, and it makes it harder to judge because of the bulkiness of the glove. Mma gloves would allow a trained ko artist from the boxing world to position his two strongest and most structurally sound knuckles on the point of impact with more reliability, hence reducing risk of hand injury. Excluding that, even if a hand is broken, Id rather be the guy with the broken hand than the broken face.

I still have found that one can get more results martially by PERFECTING a specialization and then, and only then, branching out to adapt your system you have mastered to be effective in all conditions. This is more or less what Bruce Lee did with Wing Chun. This is where Mayweather comes in. Its easier for a master of any martial discipline to add wrinkles to their game to keep effective with their perfected skillset than it is for a guy building himself from the ground up trying to learn 7 disciplines at once. Mma has fallen into this trap of putting up a glass ceiling for themselves. There is a difference between dilution and enrichment. Mma'ers, on a large scale, misunderstand the nature of the founder of Jeet Kun Do, and consequently, the philosophy of the art itself.

Nick Diaz... so has he thrown 333 strikes over 3 5 minute rounds?

You are completely going about your own narrative. MMA fighters suffer broken hands all the time, even heavy punchers, former K-1 kickboxers break their hands in MMA. Less padding = more hand breaks. It's a simple concept and no, they don't "win" from the opponent having a broken face - usually they lose. Yeah, I've laced up the gloves and from experience generate more power from boxing gloves than from wearing no gloves.

Bruce Lee wouldn't stand a chance in modern MMA. Hate to say it as he's more of a legend than any UFC fighter ever will be but he'd get mauled. As far as being a specialist in one area, or being a jack of all trades - have you ever thought of some middle ground? How about what many fighters do and that is being really good at 2 disciplines instead of just 1 or being a general practitioner of many? Whatever works for you is the best method - there is no predetermined correct way of doing things.

Diaz went 178/350 in "significant strikes" and 257/436 in "total strikes" - whatever that means in 3 rounds against Penn. His brother went 258/314 apparently as well.

[Foreign Soil]

Gsp wrestled. Lol wtf. It's well known GSP went into wrestling and boxing after karate (unless Im wrong but i dont feel like googling) Please tell me you're kidding. Now, he didnt exclusively wrestle like Jones did but jones literally had ZERO training and went into MMA and within a VERY short time was in the UFC....With no prior formal striking or bjj training (like gSp since he was like 8 or some s hit. Google it ) jones is the epitime of a good athlete in mma. Troll harder man. I can already tell that's what you're doing.

GSP did not have a damn wrestling background like Jones did. How much more clear can I be with this statement? You're just too shook or some ****. Sorry homie. GSP added wrestling to his game after he started his MMA career, which is crazy.

[Foreign Soil]

was he doing his own training camp or off season training when he has no fight coming around .. yeah post the vid bradley is legit...

edit: reading above post and laughing hard nate diaz is the biggest b1tch in the ufc and would never win a belt if he hasnt already who likes guys who talk and get beat up then talk some more no pride in being beat up

http://www.bjpenn.com/video-cub-swan...mothy-bradley/

I don't like the Diaz brothers - but what's your point? The guy was saying MMA fighters have no cardio. Nick does triathlons ffs.

[way2strong]

http://www.bjpenn.com/video-cub-swan...mothy-bradley/

I don't like the Diaz brothers - but what's your point? The guy was saying MMA fighters have no cardio. Nick does triathlons ffs.

they have no skills... that video is 2 months after the provo fight bradley wasnt training because of a concussion and he still managed to do everything that guy did now imagine that guy trying to join in on a 2 month training camp he would probably gas out doing mitt work

[NearHypnos]

GSP did not have a damn wrestling background like Jones did. How much more clear can I be with this statement? You're just too shook or some ****. Sorry homie.

Okay. Gsp had wrestling experience. Did he legitimately compete? I don't know. You act like I'm saying he competed in college. But a few facts escape you. For one, you actually believe GSP is a better wrestler than Jones? One thing is being effective in mma, another thing is being actually a good wrestler on the world level IN wrestling. From what I know Jones was pretty good in the world of wrestling. Again, GSP seems more skilled which is due to him having much more experience. Gsp HIMSELF has said it's not really "wrestling" that makes him effective as it is him applying his karate experience that he gained before he started wrestling. Taking a dude down doesnt mean wrestling and last I checked GSp has never proved to be a beter greco wrestler than Jones. gsp has good timing on his shot but it's not just that. Once he gets ahold of a leg or whatever he does what he needs to get them down. Part wrestling, part BJJ, part karate (according to him its karate he uses but whatever). Gsp IS a good mma wrestler. Very effective but you think he'd outwrestle Jones in a wrestling competition? I would think you're a little smarter than that. Jones has shown to be more dynamic on his feet due to his superior athleticism but thats a diferent story.

There's obviously no intelligent debate coming back or any form of reason.


Also, the guys who have been excetional in one area and built from that have been the most successful in MMA... Matt Hughes all he really had was a wrestling base. Tito Ortiz back in the day as well. Royce with bjj. Chuck with kick boxing (disproving that guy that trains dudes in a sport he doesnt like? Lol.. Best grapplers dont beat the best strikers its the other way around. You only have to see Demian Maia vs Anderson). Anderson with his boxing/thai boxing, Cain with his wrestling, arlovski his boxing, cro cop as well, wanderlei his thai boxing, noguera bros bjj, BJ Penn (good athlete) with his BJJ, fedor eith Sambo etc etc. The best mma fighters are exceptional at one thing and thats likely what makes them better at others. There's really no middle ground EXCEPT for GSP. But his "boxing" benefits greatly from his takedowns. Dudes are too scared to throw a lot. He's been trained in diff martial arts since a kid and is a good example of an ideal mma fighter.

[Foreign Soil]

they have no skills... that video is 2 months after the provo fight bradley wasnt training because of a concussion and he still managed to do everything that guy did now imagine that guy trying to join in on a 2 month training camp he would probably gas out doing mitt work

No he didn't. And no he wouldn't.

Sparring Julio Diaz - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhcLIwlt9MQ

[strykr619]

They'd get beaten.

Not true, someone like Stephen Neal would have dominated in MMA ( He played Guard won 3 rings with the Patriots).

It also helped that he was a 2 time NCAA wrestling champ, Pan AM Champ and Worlds champion.

[A-Wolf]

You are completely going about your own narrative. MMA fighters suffer broken hands all the time, even heavy punchers, former K-1 kickboxers break their hands in MMA. Less padding = more hand breaks. It's a simple concept and no, they don't "win" from the opponent having a broken face - usually they lose. Yeah, I've laced up the gloves and from experience generate more power from boxing gloves than from wearing no gloves.

Bruce Lee wouldn't stand a chance in modern MMA. Hate to say it as he's more of a legend than any UFC fighter ever will be but he'd get mauled. As far as being a specialist in one area, or being a jack of all trades - have you ever thought of some middle ground? How about what many fighters do and that is being really good at 2 disciplines instead of just 1 or being a general practitioner of many? Whatever works for you is the best method - there is no predetermined correct way of doing things.

Diaz went 178/350 in "significant strikes" and 257/436 in "total strikes" - whatever that means in 3 rounds against Penn. His brother went 258/314 apparently as well.

This guy's idiot skills are sublime.

[Foreign Soil]

Okay. Gsp had wrestling experience. Did he legitimately compete? I don't know. You act like I'm saying he competed in college. But a few facts escape you. For one, you actually believe GSP is a better wrestler than Jones? One thing is being effective in mma, another thing is being actually a good wrestler on the world level IN wrestling. From what I know Jones was pretty good in the world of wrestling. Again, GSP seems more skilled which is due to him having much more experience. Gsp HIMSELF has said it's not really "wrestling" that makes him effective as it is him applying his karate experience that he gained before he started wrestling. Taking a dude down doesnt mean wrestling and last I checked GSp has never proved to be a beter greco wrestler than Jones. gsp has good timing on his shot but it's not just that. Once he gets ahold of a leg or whatever he does what he needs to get them down. Part wrestling, part BJJ, part karate (according to him its karate he uses but whatever). Gsp IS a good mma wrestler. Very effective but you think he'd outwrestle Jones in a wrestling competition? I would think you're a little smarter than that. Jones has shown to be more dynamic on his feet due to his superior athleticism but thats a diferent story.

There's obviously no intelligent debate coming back or any form of reason.


Also, the guys who have been excetional in one area and built from that have been the most successful in MMA... Matt Hughes all he really had was a wrestling base. Tito Ortiz back in the day as well. Royce with bjj. Chuck with kick boxing (disproving that guy that trains dudes in a sport he doesnt like? Lol.. Best grapplers dont beat the best strikers its the other way around. You only have to see Demian Maia vs Anderson). Anderson with his boxing/thai boxing, Cain with his wrestling, arlovski his boxing, cro cop as well, wanderlei his thai boxing, noguera bros bjj, BJ Penn (good athlete) with his BJJ, fedor eith Sambo etc etc. The best mma fighters are exceptional at one thing and thats likely what makes them better at others. There's really no middle ground EXCEPT for GSP. But his "boxing" benefits greatly from his takedowns. Dudes are too scared to throw a lot. He's been trained in diff martial arts since a kid and is a good example of an ideal mma fighter.

So now you are changing the story - now it's who is the most accomplished wrestler after I educated you on GSP's lack of wrestling before he got into MMA. GSP picked up wrestling extrememly quickly and used it against the champs at the time - that is the epitome of an athlete. That was the basis for the whole argument, and now you want to change the story when you realize your argument has failed.

Your 2nd paragraph, if it can be called that, more like incoherent rambling doesn't come to much conclusion other than trying to make yourself sound like you have some sort of a point. You say best grapplers don't beat the best strikers yet you list Cain.... He's a wrestler, who just dominated the best boxer in the UFC at HW. Then you forget to mention Chuck has a wrestling base to go along with his kickboxing - i.e. what I was talking about when I said mixing 2 disciplines.. And it goes on with pretty much everyone you listed. Silva has muay thai and bjj. Sambo isn't one thing, it's practically MMA. Penn has bjj and boxing. Nogueria brothers have bjj and boxing.... etc. In other words, you contradict almost every single point you try to make. Wtf? Truly....

[dirty fingers]

This guy's idiot skills are sublime.

Bruce would get wrestlefuckeed and pounded out or subbed.