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I don't think that necessarily means anything. It's not like everyone kicks back and stops training between fights. Most fighters at least stay in shape between bouts. It's evident that Mamadjanov was prepared for the Santana fight. I would find it quite difficult to believe that he was sitting around for months, eating hotdogs and watching TV, prior to the Santana fight.
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missed rigo's true quality,
. was that before or after he looked like he wanted to go home during the cordoba fight?
i was actually watching the fights, not ascribing mythical quality to a guy who had only looked good in spots.
never once did i say rigondeaux wasn't a terrific technical boxer. he has always had some of the best timing in boxing, especially with the counter left hand. i questioned his chin, and his style as a professional, both of which were absolutely legitimate concerns prior to the donaire fight.
what i said is that he was overrated at the time, because people were equating great potential with great ability. lots of them clearly hand't seen most of his pro fights. prior to the donaire fight, he was overrated. people were crediting him with ability he hadn't yet shown, and it was because of his lack of fanfare and billing. bsceners love underdogs.
the groundswell of support for rigondeaux [the "rigotards," if you remember them,] came about as a direct result of the knockout of rico ramos. rico flipping ramos. he's one of the worst title holders of all time, and did nothing before or since.
it's really not complicated. people jumped the gun with the anointing oil, even if later on down the line he was worthy of being called a great fighter in light of the donaire victory.Comment
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Quite obviously, it wasn't a "mythical" quality, as you put it. You just chose to believe in it when it was proven beyond any doubt. Anyone can do that. The man is, and always was, a remarkable boxing talent. What you seem to be really saying is that you were blinded to Rigo's quality because a bunch of posters tainted your view of him.missed rigo's true quality,. was that before or after he looked like he wanted to go home during the cordoba fight?
i was actually watching the fights, not ascribing mythical quality to a guy who had only looked good in spots.
never once did i say rigondeaux wasn't a terrific technical boxer. he has always had some of the best timing in boxing, especially with the counter left hand. i questioned his chin, and his style as a professional, both of which were absolutely legitimate concerns prior to the donaire fight.
what i said is that he was overrated at the time, because people were equating great potential with great ability. lots of them clearly hand't seen most of his pro fights. prior to the donaire fight, he was overrated. people were crediting him with ability he hadn't yet shown, and it was because of his lack of fanfare and billing. bsceners love underdogs.
the groundswell of support for rigondeaux [the "rigotards," if you remember them,] came about as a direct result of the knockout of rico ramos. rico flipping ramos. he's one of the worst title holders of all time, and did nothing before or since.
it's really not complicated. people jumped the gun with the anointing oil, even if later on down the line he was worthy of being called a great fighter in light of the donaire victory.
The Cordoba fight was head-scratching. It remains a mystery to me, although my original guess, that Rigo was simply reverting to his amateur ways, seems as likely as ever. There was nothing amateur about anything Guillermo did before or since, and I've seen all his professional fights.Comment
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Santana got this one, by KOComment
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It depends. If you're fighting a top name, it can mean lot. If you're fighting a fellow prospect, and you've been training all along anyway, it means little to nothing. Many, maybe even most, fighters don't bother to look at tape of their opponents. Shit, I never fought professionally, or even as an amateur, yet I would show up to spar every weekend and kept in great shape for long stretches of time. Many of the guys I knew at the gym did the same, and most weren't pros either.Comment
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this might sound vain to you, but i trust my boxing knowledge [and my genuine background in the sport,] to the extent that there are only a handful of bsceners that can influence me.
i certainly wasn't recognizing rigondeaux's flaws as a backlash against some bsceners. i watched the fights, and judged him on their merit.
that you don't recognize that rigondeaux had a ton of "amateurish" flaws preceding the doniare fight is all i really need to hear. how on earth is this not an example of an amateurish style that needed work.
if rigondeaux fought donaire on that night, he'd have been stopped. coroba was at the very end of his career, mind you, and was never the same after the berard duune fight.Comment
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You're clearly knowledgable about boxing New England. You almost certainly know more about boxing history and much of the current scene than I do. But you're also clearly full of yourself. You're making the classic young man's error of thinking you've got it all figured out, or at least have very little left to learn. It's not "vanity," it's arrogance.
Indeed, the Rigo that fought Cordoba would've lost to Donaire. Guille fought Ricardo in only his seventh pro fight. He beat Nonito in only his twelfth. You really believe that a guy with "tons of amateur flaws" magically erased them all in only five fights, or enough to beat a consensus top-five P4P fighter? lol C'mon. What Rigo needed to work on, quite obviously, was more his understanding of the pro game than anything else. This is a man whom top boxing professionals wanted to fight for a world title in only a couple of fights. Not that I agreed, but does that sound like they thought he was too amateur to you?Comment
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You're reducing what I said, and the spirit of my post, to one simple-minded statement suited to make yourself seem right. Keep patting yourself on the back, kid. You know what I wrote and you know what I meant.Comment
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