Showbox 2/21: Lundy vs Santana

[New England]

His fight with Santana will be one to watch. Angelo is an aggressive fighter. I think Santana got overconfident versus Mamadjanov and paid the price. Lundy is going to be a real test, especially at this stage in Angelo's career.

i think he got his butt kicked by mamajama because he's just not that good, but to each his own

[CubanGuyNYC]

i think he got his butt kicked by mamajama because he's just not that good, but to each his own

Maybe he's not, but I think he is. The Lundy fight will tell. And this isn't going to be some ugly, hold-fest win, either. This is a nice match-up, style-wise at least.

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[New England]

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rigondeaux is one of the planet's best p4p fighters. you'll never hear me saying otherwise. lara is one of the best at 154, maybe the best not named mayweather.

you'll never hear me saying these two aren't good fighters. you'll find me talking about how they're having a hard time getting fights because of their lack of a fanbase, and you'll also hear me reminding people that erislandy lara's resume includes fights other than the victory over trout.


angelo santana is something entirely different. he's probably not even in the top 50. i call it like it is, dawg. i didn't even remember that he was cuban until i saw a bunch of cubans trying to talk him up

[CubanGuyNYC]

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lol I mean, it's all relative. I think Santana is a good fighter for a prospect. Is he good in the world sense? Of course not. Not yet, anyway. Lundy, on the other hand, is a solid fighter. But we've seen enough of Hank to know he's never going to be great. However, for this stage of Angelo's career, Lundy is a good test.

[CubanGuyNYC]

rigondeaux is one of the planet's best p4p fighters. you'll never hear me saying otherwise. lara is one of the best at 154, maybe the best not named mayweather.

you'll never hear me saying these two aren't good fighters. you'll find me talking about how they're having a hard time getting fights because of their lack of a fanbase, and you'll also hear me reminding people that erislandy lara's resume includes fights other than the victory over trout.


angelo santana is something entirely different. he's probably not even in the top 50. i call it like it is, dawg. i didn't even remember that he was cuban until i saw a bunch of cubans trying to talk him up

I think part of the fun of boxing -- indeed, any sport -- is trying to predict who'll go far. It's a very dicey exercise, but it's fun. Rigondeaux and Lara are proven, so it's no revelation to say they're good. I remember you and I having a debate about Rigo long before the Donaire fight. You thought I was playing Guillermo up too much, probably thinking I was just being a fanboy. You couldn't have known that I followed him as an amateur as much as I could, and that my attention followed him into his nascent pro career.

I haven't followed Santana nearly as much; but, from what I've seen, Angelo looks promising, despite his first loss. He obviously doesn't have Rigo-like promise -- Guillermo is a rare talent -- but Santana's worthy of someone's attention. Puerto Rican fans are following Felix Verdejo very closely, although Felix hasn't done anything yet but beat cannon fodder. Nonetheless, Verdejo is a promising young fighter. There's no telling where he'll go. I think we can say the same thing about Santana, relative to where he is in his career.

[any craic lad?]

Wow ridiculous fight for Angelo to take on his comeback

[bigcursedawg]

i think he got his butt kicked by mamajama because he's just not that good, but to each his own

Not to mention Mamadjonov took that fight on a weeks notice.

[New England]

I think part of the fun of boxing -- indeed, any sport -- is trying to predict who'll go far. It's a very dicey exercise, but it's fun. Rigondeaux and Lara are proven, so it's no revelation to say they're good. I remember you and I having a debate about Rigo long before the Donaire fight. You thought I was playing Guillermo up too much, probably thinking I was just being a fanboy. You couldn't have known that I followed him as an amateur as much as I could, and that my attention followed him into his nascent pro career.

I haven't followed Santana nearly as much; but, from what I've seen, Angelo looks promising, despite his first loss. He obviously doesn't have Rigo-like promise -- Guillermo is a rare talent -- but Santana's worthy of someone's attention. Puerto Rican fans are following Felix Verdejo very closely, although Felix hasn't done anything yet but beat cannon fodder. Nonetheless, Verdejo is a promising young fighter. There's no telling where he'll go. I think we can say the same thing about Santana, relative to where he is in his career.

rigodneaux was seriously overhyped leading into the donaire fight. bsceners hype fighters that they consider underdogs, because they're mostly underdogs themselves. they identify with underdogs.

the donaire fight was the first time we ever saw him put together a solid 12 round performance. i'll even call it a great performance, because that's what it was. prior to that, he was overhyped. he still fought like an amateur in long stretches of virtually every fight, and was getting praise that didn't include recognition of those shortcomings. it was only during and after the donaire fight that he was able to put things together for 12 rounds.

[CubanGuyNYC]

rigodneaux was seriously overhyped leading into the donaire fight. bsceners hype fighters that they consider underdogs, because they're mostly underdogs themselves. they identify with underdogs.

the donaire fight was the first time we ever saw him put together a solid 12 round performance. i'll even call it a great performance, because that's what it was. prior to that, he was overhyped. he still fought like an amateur in long stretches of virtually every fight, and was getting praise that didn't include recognition of those shortcomings. it was only during and after the donaire fight that he was able to put things together for 12 rounds.

What you're saying is true, I can't blame you for being sceptical, but it's just a reasonable explanation as to why you missed Rigo's true quality. Even I had moments of concern, probably because my hopes were so high, but Rigondeaux's talent was never in question.