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  • thatdudespits
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    #31
    Originally posted by Black Barty
    Compubox stats? Seriously? Then let me answer in kind.

    Let's only count the fights that lasted at least 11 rounds.

    Murray landed 160 punches.
    Macklin landed 104 punches (11 rounds)
    Chavez landed 178 punches.

    Margarito landed 157 punches.
    Mayweather landed 179 punches.
    Trout landed 238 punches.

    I fail to see the big difference. And if you have seen Cotto fight, you should know how hittable he is (except againslandedmatched opponents like Gomez or Rodriguez, whom Cotto steamrolls before they can get anything going offensively).
    Cotto's opponents also threw a ton more.... more agressive fighters ... and they still landed at very low percentages... so Cottos opponents threw a lot more and still landed at a lower percentage... tells me he can handle pressure... fail to see your point... and why only use fights that lasted over 11 rounds? Btw the margarito fight was stopped before 10... did you not want to include the 161 punches dzinzurik landed in 8 rounds? Macklin landed 135 punches btw.

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    • Black Barty
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      #32
      Originally posted by thatdudespits
      Cotto's opponents also threw a ton more.... more agressive fighters ... and they still landed at very low percentages... so Cottos opponents threw a lot more and still landed at a lower percentage... tells me he can handle pressure... fail to see your point... and why only use fights that lasted over 11 rounds? Btw the margarito fight was stopped before 10... did you not want to include the 161 punches dzinzurik landed in 8 rounds? Macklin landed 135 punches btw.
      You are right about the Marg fight, my bad. How about Clottey and the 222 punches he landed instead?

      And I initially only wanted to include fights that lasted the distance, but I realized there were only two for Martinez, and I wanted to make it three for each fighter. I wasn't trying to duck anything.

      And my point is:

      1) It's not the percentage that matters, it's the number of punches landed. Look at Rigo vs Donaire for example. According to Compubox, Donaire landed 30% of his power shots, which is not that bad, more like average. But when you see that he landed only 64 power punches and only 82 punches overall... Well, that's kind of terrible.

      2) Stats of any kind don't really matter all that much. Again, watch some Cotto fights (or rewatch, I'm sure you have seen some) and tell me he isn't hittable.

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      • thatdudespits
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        #33
        Originally posted by Black Barty
        You are right about the Marg fight, my bad. How about Clottey and the 222 punches he landed instead?

        And I initially only wanted to include fights that lasted the distance, but I realized there were only two for Martinez, and I wanted to make it three for each fighter. I wasn't trying to duck anything.

        And my point is:

        1) It's not the percentage that matters, it's the number of punches landed. Look at Rigo vs Donaire for example. According to Compubox, Donaire landed 30% of his power shots, which is not that bad, more like average. But when you see that he landed only 64 power punches and only 82 punches overall... Well, that's kind of terrible.

        2) Stats of any kind don't really matter all that much. Again, watch some Cotto fights (or rewatch, I'm sure you have seen some) and tell me he isn't hittable.
        Cotto also fought Clottey with one eye and was trained by the team nutrionist.


        Your using dramatic examples... Donaire didnt come to fight he came to counterpunch a counter puncher....

        in the fights we were discussing... percentage is relevant.

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        • Black Barty
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          #34
          Originally posted by thatdudespits
          Cotto also fought Clottey with one eye and was trained by the team nutrionist.


          Your using dramatic examples... Donaire didnt come to fight he came to counterpunch a counter puncher....

          in the fights we were discussing... percentage is relevant.
          And Martinez fought Murray with a bad knee. Everyone can make injury excuses.

          And I'm not saying percentage doesn't matter AT ALL. I'm saying the number of punches landed matters more, and that neither matters much.

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          • DoktorSleepless
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            #35
            Originally posted by thatdudespits
            Cotto's opponents also threw a ton more.... more agressive fighters ... and they still landed at very low percentages... so Cottos opponents threw a lot more and still landed at a lower percentage... tells me he can handle pressure... fail to see your point... and why only use fights that lasted over 11 rounds? Btw the margarito fight was stopped before 10... did you not want to include the 161 punches dzinzurik landed in 8 rounds? Macklin landed 135 punches btw.
            Martinez has the ability severely limit the output of his opponents with his movement. (not to mention fighters become scared of being counter punched) Both Murray and Macklin had thrown over 1000 punches in their previous fight, and he cut that in half. He's not hittable all in the sense that you can't tee off on him anytime you want. If he doesn't want to be hit, he won't by just moving around. He does expose himself when he goes in for the attack, but whatever amount he gets hit in those exchanges, is balanced out by the long stretches where he doesn't get it when he's moving around away from the danger. So the percentages don't really tell the whole story.

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