would Greb is p4p number 1?

[New England]

I see your point but realize that guys dont fight every other week like they did back then,,, With the expansion of television you really only get one shot or maybe a trilogy,,, look at manny-jmm, they have given us 4 great fights and people whine about having to see a 5th, but if it was 70 years ago, jmm and manny would have fought about 8 times...

Who in the 40s beat guys like ATG benetiz for welter belt, nearly prime duran, and made him quit, and defeated the monster that was hearns,,, all in about 2 years time, plus he beat ayublu for the jr mid belt in a tune-up fight,,

SRL career was short but his accomplishments are amazing if you consider that he beat 4 top 100 fighters of all time, and 2 being at their peak, one being near prime, and one being the middleweight kingpin



Hagler and SRL were both past primes,,, but the fact remains that nobody had ended hagler's reign till SRL did,,,
Do you give jermain taylor credit for beating hopkins, or tarver beating roy,, they were past their primes but still the man,,
and as the great ric flair says "TO BE THE MAN YOU GOT TO BEAT THE MAN"

SRL was also a huge underdog in this fight, and lots of people thought hagler would kill him,,, but revisionist history will tell you that hagler was shot and old

giving ray leonard credit and calling hagler prime are different things.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

giving ray leonard credit and calling hagler prime are different things.

I never said it was prime hagler,, just that SRL ended his reign,,,

I called hearns and benitez prime, and duran close to prime,,,

Hagler i realize had seen better days,,, I always thought the hearns fight took alot out of hagler, and he seemed not to have that extra gear anymore after that fight and just seemed to move at a slower pace..

Hearns landed huge shots in that 1st round, and no doubt it took something from hagler,, he was never the same after that fight

[Larry the boss]

do you ***ing ******ed black panthers forget that duran won the first fight and only quit the 2nd because he was out of shape and srl admitted he knew this reason why he asked for a rematch

edit: el gran campeon would have beat alot of the guys before the 1970's

why is everything about race with you?

[New England]

SRL has wins over prime ATGs duran, benitez, hagler, and ended the reign of hagler,,,,
Short career but did more than other guys can only imagine and was a true warrior.
His win over hearns is arguably the greatest welter defense of all time


Yes he is near, the guy was amazing, fought everyone, and was virtually unbeatable in his prime in a very deep era.. p4p he is one of the greatest ever, and h2h he would school alot of great fighters.. hell a cracked out old pernell nearly beat a prime oscar

Pernell is one of the best to ever lace them up IMO

I dont mind if you dont think top 10, but he is certainly a lock for top 20



False

I never said it was prime hagler,, just that SRL ended his reign,,,

I called hearns and benitez prime, and duran close to prime,,,

Hagler i realize had seen better days,,, I always thought the hearns fight took alot out of hagler, and he seemed not to have that extra gear anymore after that fight and just seemed to move at a slower pace..

Hearns landed huge shots in that 1st round, and no doubt it took something from hagler,, he was never the same after that fight

i'm obviously not going to hold it against you if you didn't word it the way you wanted to in the middle of a long post [it happens to the best of us,] but i was just going on what you wrote in the bold.


after reading the bold again in the context of the rest of the post, i assume you mean hearns?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

i'm obviously not going to jump on you if you didn't word it the way you wanted to in the middle of a long post [it happens to the best of us,] but i was just going on what you wrote in the bold.


after reading the bold again in the context of the rest of the post, i assume you mean hearns?

ok, my bad,,, i didnt mean for it to sound like that,,,, typo on my part

[New England]

why is everything about race with you?

i think he assumed the poster was black, and nominating black fighters as the best of all time because of his blackness. in reality, the poster is white, and many of the great fighters were black.

[Larry the boss]

Thing that gets me is, Ya'll will rank someone so high who you have 0 footage of...yet critisize fighters you get to see on a regular basis...i just do not understand that logic at all.

[Larry the boss]

i think he assumed the poster was black, and nominating black fighters as the best of all time because of his blackness. in reality, the poster is white, and many of the great fighters were black.

No the truth is he is a racist alt and his past history shows this

[New England]

No the truth is he is a racist alt and his past history shows this

no? so the "black panther" stuff wasn't because he thought the poster was black? sheesh.

[Ham Porter]

I'd drop Leonard, Charles, Langford and Whitaker. I'd add Benny Leonard at #2, Jack Johnson at #3, Louis @#4, Greb @#5, Armstrong @#6, Ali @7, and Nicolino Locche @#10. I'd have Holyfield in there somewhere, Eder Jofre and Roy Jones hanging around the outskirts along with the two Klitschko brothers, and Carlos Zarate.

There are 20-30 who coulh credibly take up the last 3-5 places..

You know nothing about credibility, as evidenced by your list.

Who in the 40s beat guys like ATG benetiz for welter belt, nearly prime duran, and made him quit, and defeated the monster that was hearns,,, all in about 2 years time, plus he beat ayublu for the jr mid belt in a tune-up fight,,

Plenty of fighters, actually.