when it comes to pure defensive ability

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The funny thing was that when Whitaker was active, fans (and other fighters) called him "boring" and a "runner" smh.

Everyone who has a fight where they didn't stand in front of their opponent and brawl has probably been called a runner at some point. Ali, Leonard, Whitaker, Duran against Hagler, Holyfield against Qawi, on and on and on.

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Whitiker didn't need the help from the referre in his fights, but Floyd needs the help from the referre.

Floyd uses much of his body and feet to get out of the wayand his hands/arm as a shield, with Pernal he had what looked like an effortless defense he did use his feet too when he had to but i think Floyd uses it way more therefore wasting more energy.

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The funny thing was that when Whitaker was active, fans (and other fighters) called him "boring" and a "runner" smh.

Thats true. But he didn't box away in the manner that Floyd does. He just sly, slickly would walk back or bob and weave. To see this from Floyd you have to see him against lesser fighters.

But once Whitiker was really gaining age he stood more in front of his opponets. The one that surprised me very much was when he stood his ground against Trinidad, that was very surprising.

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Thats true. But he didn't box away in the manner that Floyd does. He just sly, slickly would walk back or bob and weave. To see this from Floyd you have to see him against lesser fighters.

But once Whitiker was really gaining age he stood more in front of his opponets. The one that surprised me very much was when he stood his ground against Trinidad, that was very surprising.

He definitely boxed away. A lot. Particularly in his prime at 130-135. Go watch his fight against Azumah Nelson. As he got older and he moved up as his legs gave way, he stood more.

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He definitely boxed away. A lot. Particularly in his prime at 130-135. Go watch his fight against Azumah Nelson. As he got older and he moved up as his legs gave way, he stood more.

Ok, i started watching Whitiker after the Chavez fight. Got into boxing that year.

Mayweather older still moves a lot, the guy must shadow box for 12 rounds moving around the ring or more, he got them leg muscles.

I wasn't a big fan of Whitiker but by the time i watched him box it looked like he didn't didn't waste much movement and made it seem effortless.

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Ok, i started watching Whitiker after the Chavez fight. Got into boxing that year.

Mayweather older still moves a lot, the guy must shadow box for 12 rounds moving around the ring or more, he got them leg muscles.

I wasn't a big fan of Whitiker but by the time i watched him box it looked like he didn't didn't waste much movement and made it seem effortless.

Mayweather stands a lot more lately - see the Mosley fight, Ortiz, even Canelo for good portions. So did Whitaker - see the Rivera fights, Hurtado, etc. And Whitaker used to be known as a "runner." That's probably why he got robbed against Ramirez. Kinda crazy how these things work.

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Mayweather stands a lot more lately - see the Mosley fight, Ortiz, even Canelo for good portions. So did Whitaker - see the Rivera fights, Hurtado, etc. And Whitaker used to be known as a "runner." That's probably why he got robbed against Ramirez. Kinda crazy how these things work.

Haha, i remember reading about that Ramirez fight and finally got to watch it. I put that video in my Roy Jones Jr. vs. Hopkins box.

Floyd didn't box as much in those fights but than why than did he box away so much against Guererro? Tells me what type of **** hole he was in especially when he needed the help from Byrd. I am recalling now just how much he really boxed too, seems like you may be right. But i didn't see him in his prime. I do remember how he moved a lot but not like Floyd when he won the 154 pound title, against a heavy puncher, i was surprised he won so easy (whitiker that is).

You seen Paez vs. Whitiker? Only fighter i seen that can stand in front of Whitiker and make Whitiker miss 3 shots. That was a fun fight to watch.

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Haha, i remember reading about that Ramirez fight and finally got to watch it. I put that video in my Roy Jones Jr. vs. Hopkins box.

Floyd didn't box as much in those fights but than why than did he box away so much against Guererro? Tells me what type of **** hole he was in especially when he needed the help from Byrd. I am recalling now just how much he really boxed too, seems like you may be right. But i didn't see him in his prime. I do remember how he moved a lot but not like Floyd when he won the 154 pound title, against a heavy puncher, i was surprised he won so easy (whitiker that is).

You seen Paez vs. Whitiker? Only fighter i seen that can stand in front of Whitiker and make Whitiker miss 3 shots. That was a fun fight to watch.

Yeah Whitaker moved a lot in his prime. I don't see it as a negative thing at all. And Floyd boxed away so much against Guerrero because..because? Who knows? Not sure what that's indicative of.

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Yeah Whitaker moved a lot in his prime. I don't see it as a negative thing at all. And Floyd boxed away so much against Guerrero because..because? Who knows? Not sure what that's indicative of.

I assume Floyd fought that way against Guerrero because of Pops in the corner and practice for Alvarez.

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I assume Floyd fought that way against Guerrero because of Pops in the corner and practice for Alvarez.

Maybe rust too. Man I watched the Alvarez fight again and Floyd is old . Those next four fights are going to be tough.