Should Team Pacquiao/Top Rank make a play for the WBC Title

[cupocity303]

If the WBC tries to mandate that fight all they're doing is showing how blatant their politics are. Manny does not deserve to be the mandatory challenger for any title much less the WBC. He was knocked over the rainbow and into the land of OZ two fights ago, we should be discussing his retirement not if the WBC can force anyone's hand.

Oh, it's the fake-old-timer fan again.

Of course the WBC is dirty. And they've relieved guys like Delahoya and Mayweather of the Champion duties too many times because of their cash cow status, which you should also consider.

Besides Amir Khan is at #3, surely you wouldn't want Luis Carlos Abregu to be Floyd's new # 1 contender.

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Oh, it's the fake-old-timer fan again.

Of course the WBC is dirty. And they've relieved guys like Delahoya and Mayweather of the Champion duties too many times because of their cash cow status, which you should also consider.

Besides Amir Khan is at #3, surely you wouldn't want Luis Carlos Abregu to be Floyd's new # 1 contender.

See, I don't want purse bids "just for show" that's ****ing ******ed, fans want actual people to come together and bargain in good faith. Politricks is not so aesthetically pleasing for me, maybe for you, maybe you're that shallow, I'm not.

I want to see Floyd in a competitive fight period, but I also understand because of his name and appeal he can't just fight any Joe Blow, not when Showtime is expecting their relationship to be a profitable one.

I love Floyd, but imho boxing will be better off when he retires. He's gotten so big he turning the natural order of things on its head.

[cupocity303]

See, I don't want purse bids "just for show" that's ****ing ******ed, fans want actual people to come together and bargain in good faith. Politricks is not so aesthetically pleasing for me, maybe for you, maybe you're that shallow, I'm not.

Oh yeah? Is that why you justify every move of Floyd's rather than just forget about his own self-interest and hold both Pac's and Floyd's feet to the fire as a Boxing fan? But we're getting side tracked now --this is for another topic.

I want to see Floyd in a competitive fight period, but I also understand because of his name and appeal he can't just fight any Joe Blow, not when Showtime is expecting their relationship to be a profitable one.

Top Rank/Mayweather/Showtime have their own interests and that's the way it is. And I outlined a hypothetical on what Top Rank needs to do on their side. There is ideology and then there is reality.

I love Floyd, but imho boxing will be better off when he retires. He's gotten so big he turning the natural order of things on its head.

Well we agree. I used to be a huge Floyd fan circa 2007-2008 on NSB. Check my posting history for nuthugging leading up to the Hatton fight. But I'm like that mega-wealthy billionaire who gets tired of his old toys and wants a new one. I've gotten all the mileage I can get out of seeing Floyd win, so now I'd like for someone to hand him a loss for my own personal amusement (which would also be good for Boxing as him just retiring) even if it's one-trick wonder Amir Khan.

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Oh yeah? Is that why you justify every move of Floyd's rather than just forget about his own self-interest and hold both Pac's and Floyd's feet to the fire as a Boxing fan? But we're getting side tracked now --this is for another topic.

The situation isn't that simple. Manny fights for TR, and there's no way of getting around that, its a real barrier that some folks can't seem to accept. Can you name two TR fighters Floyd has fought since he left Bob? I think Floyd and Oscar learned the same lesson from being managed by Arum, its better to go out on your own.

[SIZE="3"]Top Rank/Mayweather/Showtime have their own interests and that's the way it is. And I outlined a hypothetical on what Top Rank needs to do on their side. There is ideology and then there is reality.

Indeed, so this needs to be factored in when one criticizes, sometimes it doesn't feel like that here.

Well we agree. I used to be a huge Floyd fan circa 2007-2008 on NSB. Check my posting history for nuthugging leading up to the Hatton fight. But I'm like that mega-wealthy billionaire who gets tired of his old toys and wants a new one. I've gotten all the mileage I can get out of seeing Floyd win, so now I'd like for someone to hand him a loss for my own personal amusement (which would also be good for Boxing as him just retiring) even if it's one-trick wonder Amir Khan.

I too have wanted some fighters to get their butts kicked just because, but that's not too good for the sport. Fighters should lose because their skills didn't match their opponents and for no other reason.

[cupocity303]

I too have wanted some fighters to get their butts kicked just because, but that's not too good for the sport. Fighters should lose because their skills didn't match their opponents and for no other reason.

Well yes. And sometimes a inconsistent fighter has his **** together just for one night and gives the other fighter his comeuppance, I.E. Buster Douglas being the most famous example.

Since we're not going to see the ultimate showdown between two archenemies like some movie between two of the best in some fighting tournament --Amir Khan will do (at least I would hope). What's good for Boxing is relative. What's good for Floyd and his ego is another 100 million while retiring undefeated. A nice upset of the decade is good for Boxing in my humble opinion.

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Well yes. And sometimes a inconsistent fighter has his **** together just for one night and gives the other fighter his comeuppance, I.E. Buster Douglas being the most famous example.

Since we're not going to see the ultimate showdown between two archenemies like some movie between two of the best in some fighting tournament --Amir Khan will do (at least I would hope). What's good for Boxing is relative. What's good for Floyd and his ego is another 100 million while retiring undefeated. A nice upset of the decade is good for Boxing in my humble opinion.

Maybe, but upsets happen more often then not when a champion takes his opponent less seriously than he should, I don't see Floyd doing that.

[cupocity303]

Maybe, but upsets happen more often then not when a champion takes his opponent less seriously than he should, I don't see Floyd doing that.

Yes, you're right. But then there is also the theory that every fighter no matter how great (in this case Floyd) is susceptible to a certain style (or size or both) that just has his number. Even if that opponent is susceptible to 10 different styles himself. Could a 5'9 Amir Khan with his speed and stamina be it? I don't know.

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I don't know about Top Rank winning the purse bid, I would favor gbp since they been putting the better fights out i would have to think they have more savings then Top Rank cause they invest alot in undercard fights. If it happen and gbp did win, Top Rank would have no part in the promotion which is what they want, which they say. I don't see it happening but if it did then after the purse bid don't see any agreement on the purse cause 75-25 split idk about that would have to be work out.

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Yes, you're right. But then there is also the theory that every fighter no matter how great (in this case Floyd) is susceptible to a certain style (or size or both) that just has his number. Even if that opponent is susceptible to 10 different styles himself. Could a 5'9 Amir Khan with his speed and stamina be it? I don't know.

That may be true if the "norm" applied across the board 100% of the time, but the truth is it doesn't always. Sometimes there are rare exceptions to this rule, athletes so gifted both in terms of physical abilities and intellect that they transcend their medium. Floyd wasn't born to make money, talk **** or bring notoriety to the sport, he was born to box. The fact that he's been able to parlay his skill into a media and business juggernaut is really an aside.

Amir Khan is not the solution, I can't even go there seriously. C'mon dude.....

[Daddy T]

Just for show. Push the WBC to mandate this fight. Then take it to a purse bid.

Surely Top Rank can out-bid Golden Boy (Unless Vlad Hryunov pulls off the upset) considering that Bob Arum probably takes more from his Cash Cow than Golden Boy does from Floyd. Not to mention his three-decades worth of connections in the finance industry, who would be willing to lend their pockets for some up-front money. Then go for the typical 75-25 purse split.

Of course none of this would happen and Floyd would end up vacating, with Pacquiao taking his Green belt by fighting Luis Carlos Abregu. Meanwhile, you still have Bradley as the WBO Champ that you can milk.

Right now, Goldenboy has rights to three Title Holders at 147 (Maidana WBA, Porter IBF, Mayweather WBC). With this strategy it's 2 to 2.

yes i think so. It wouldn't force floyd to fight as he would simply vacate the title and run away but it would highlight once again how much he is ducking and perhaps hurt his PPVs going forward.

When the floyd v kahn PPV bombs out showtime won't be happy and floyd will have to step up v somebody dangerous in his next fight