Andre Ward: “I think Manny Pacquiao has a great legacy, but we got to be honest about

[-Kev-]

he also never even dared to be bold to meet dawson halfway. sure it was dawson's challenge and ward didn't have to go up, but it's pretty much the same as oscar's offer to pacquiao, and people forget pac went up TWO divisions to meet oscar. so to criticize this fight is really very hypocritical of andre, who never boldly tried to fight outside his weight class. and i really like andre.

Why would he alter the challenge that was given to him? No fighter would do that. Why the hell would Andre Ward just be Mr Nice Guy and say, you know what, forget your 168 challenge, let's do it at 170-171lbs. Why?

[HeroBando]

Honestly if you look at Manny's fights at 147 what Ward said is the truth. Most of the guys he beat there were already washed up or coming off of bad losses or already going down hill. Mosley,Cotto,Hatton,Rios and hell even Margarito was coming off a KO loss to Mosley. I not going to even count Oscar because that was Oscar's own doing by biting off too much. Which is odd because Mosley called out Manny after he beat Margarito and they ducked him and said they would only fight him at a CW of 142 pounds... But then after Mayweather beat him and then he looked shot vs Mora then all of a sudden they were green to fight Mosley. People need to realize that both Manny and Floyd are doing to same thing. In Floyd's case he is fighting fighters coming off a big wins. That is the honest truth if you really look at it without a bias mind.

When Pac moved up to welter, the top 4 ranked guys were Mosley, Cotto, Marg, Clottey. he destroyed them back to back in 18 months. Only one of these was a bad win, Mosley (Canelo's best clear cut win).

You've seen the polls here, Marg, Clottey, Cotto murder the likes of Ortiz, Guerrero, Paulie, Khan and whoever the WW contenders are these days.

[Chrismart]

Yes Ward, Cotto had to drop 2 pounds...just like Canelo did agaisnt Mayweather. And Oscar picked a fight with a smaller guy because he thought he would walk through him, just like Dawson did with you.

[Weebler I]

Not only do I believe it, team Pacman also believes it.

To be clear, you believe Cotto v Pac at 147 instead of 145 ends in a Cotto win instead of a Pac win? You think the entire fight turns around based on 2lbs? If that's what you're saying I don't agree, respect your opinion tho.

[Bushbaby]

To be clear, you believe Cotto v Pac at 147 instead of 145 ends in a Cotto win instead of a Pac win? You think the entire fight turns around based on 2lbs? If that's what you're saying I don't agree, respect your opinion tho.

To be clear, I do not know who would have won the fight at the usual weight. But what I do feel, just like team Pacman did/do was that they needed a catchweight to fight Cotto. The 1st and the 2nd time they tried to.

[JOM'S]

this ^^^

i like ward but to criticize catchweights is very hypocritical of him. he hasn't even dared stepping out of his comfort weight zone, while pac climbed 7 divisions already. and you can't criticize manny for the delahoya fight, oscar cherrypicked him and set the weight class they'd fight in.

your correct bro, a lot of people are forgetting it was oscar who cherry picked manny, instead of fighting the cotto-margarito winner and he picked Pac from lightweight at that to fight him at welter....

[Zano-24]

When Pac moved up to welter, the top 4 ranked guys were Mosley, Cotto, Marg, Clottey. he destroyed them back to back in 18 months. Only one of these was a bad win, Mosley (Canelo's best clear cut win).

You've seen the polls here, Marg, Clottey, Cotto murder the likes of Ortiz, Guerrero, Paulie, Khan and whoever the WW contenders are these days.

None of those were good or great wins dude. When are you going to understand that? They are nothing more then decent wins because of where these fighters were at in their current careers when they were defeated by Manny. The fact remains that he beat them when none of them were at their best. That is the issue here. People are trying to call these good/great wins when that is not the case. You can call them decent wins but they are nothing more because by the time Manny got to them they have already been ran through. Unless those fighters at that time made a amazing come back and was on a dominate rampage then you can call those great wins.

Mayweather's fights at 147 these days are not good/great win at this stage either. His last good win was Mosley and that was only because Mosley beat the hell out of Margarito. Well Canelo was a good win for him but that is it and that is only because of the weight class which it was fought. But Mayweather at 147 is practically almost the same as Manny. The difference here is that Mayweather is fighting them when they come off of big victories. That will change if he fight Queen Khan though.

[Doctor_Tenma]

One of Floyd's best win was the Oscar win, such an underrated win.

[JOM'S]

Pacquiao and Mayweather not fighting is going to have a bad effect on both of their legacies. They may be great, but with each other they could have been so much greater. People will always hold their non-fight against these two.

i have to beg to disagree bro, manny's legacy is made and done and him not fighting floyd will not really haunt his legacy but for floyd it is another story, his legacy is also set but not fighting PAC at his peak leaves some questions unanswered and even open up more questions..

anyway both fighters are ATG, a win against each other will push them up the ladder ...

[Weebler I]

To be clear, I do not know who would have won the fight at the usual weight. But what I do feel, just like team Pacman did/do was that they needed a catchweight to fight Cotto. The 1st and the 2nd time they tried to.

Okie doke. Yeah, they weren't sure how Pac would have fared moving up in weight so they were cautious. I don't think they needed to be with hindsight.