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  • #41
    Originally posted by Bushbaby View Post
    The Dawson win was not huge. Dawson was in fact drained. But that was not Ward's fault like the amnesiacs claim. Oscar/Pacman was oscar's fault.
    This^^^^^^^^^^

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    • #42
      Originally posted by way2strong View Post
      IMO I feel that pac will forever be remembered as a ATG while floyd will fade away as a great once he retires or loses since he never dared to step into the ring with the greats/atg's of manny's era ...... Who's next on Wards list of destruction another man who dared to face them all and won everytime he did
      And these greats you are talking about are who exactly? Margarito, Clottey, Bradley, Rios?

      Surely you are not speaking of De La Hoya, who Mayweather beat 1 year and a half prior at a heavier weight class. You sure as hell can't be talking about Ricky Hatton, who Floyd TKO'ed 1 year and a half prior. Hopefully it's not Mosley, who Floyd beat when he was still seen as dangerous, or Marquez who Floyd handily beat in the same weight class that he KO'ed Pacquiao? Oh, you're talking about Cotto? Yeah, Floyd did the Pacquiao and fought after he already lost, but still a solid win over the #1 ranked JMW.

      So what greats are you talking about again? Can't be MAB and Morales, who never shared the same weight class Floyd.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by Slip Stream View Post
        Not really. Simply because a segment of the boxing community is salivating over a fight like this doesn't mean Floyd or Manny for that matter must be ultimately defined by each other. I can't imagine that one fight not happening ends up being so damaging to a fighter's career that has been defined by excellence.

        What, Floyd is to be denied because some loonies thought Pacquiao was the one to beat him, and since he didn't give them that satisfaction Floyd's legacy is tarnished? Please.....
        It was the biggest fight the sport could have had in some 20 years, at least. Casuals and hardcore fans alike will forever mention Pacquiao and Mayweather in the same sentence, decrying them for never getting in the ring with each other.

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        • #44
          OK, Andre. You're never allowed to talk about the Dawson fight, ever. Good day to you.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Andre Ward
            Just compare the De La Hoya fight for Pacquiao, with the one with Floyd. Floyd did not have any say in the ring size, he fought at a weight class above his, I think De La Hoya got to pick the gloves, everything was against Floyd with De La Hoya compared to when Manny fought him.
            LOL WHUT Andre WTF?

            Manny and Floyd had no say in the negotiations when it came to Oscar because Oscar was the A-side. Manny also came up TWO weight classes.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by Twako View Post
              this ^^^

              i like ward but to criticize catchweights is very hypocritical of him. he hasn't even dared stepping out of his comfort weight zone, while pac climbed 7 divisions already. and you can't criticize manny for the delahoya fight, oscar cherrypicked him and set the weight class they'd fight in.
              No it's not, he's never fought at a catchweight, all he did was accepted Dawson's 168 challenge

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              • #47
                Originally posted by -Kev- View Post
                And these greats you are talking about are who exactly? Margarito, Clottey, Bradley, Rios?

                Surely you are not speaking of De La Hoya, who Mayweather beat 1 year and a half prior at a heavier weight class. You sure as hell can't be talking about Ricky Hatton, who Floyd TKO'ed 1 year and a half prior. Hopefully it's not Mosley, who Floyd beat when he was still seen as dangerous, or Marquez who Floyd handily beat in the same weight class that he KO'ed Pacquiao? Oh, you're talking about Cotto? Yeah, Floyd did the Pacquiao and fought after he already lost, but still a solid win over the #1 ranked JMW.

                So what greats are you talking about again? Can't be MAB and Morales, who never shared the same weight class Floyd.
                ouch .....

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by PBP View Post
                  He's 10 steps ahead of you. He wants to fight for the heavyweight title before he retires.
                  How come you already figure out he is ahead when what he did was just talking about fighting at heavyweight when he retired and made it as a big accomplishment compared to someone like Pac who already fought in a span of 10 divisions?

                  In Oscar fight, don't forget Pac came up TWO DIVISIONS above with just one fight at lightweight to boot. A former flyweight champ moving up virtually 3 divisions above to fight someone like Oscar was already an accomplishment, beating him in one sided and retired is another.
                  Last edited by straightleft; 01-06-2014, 08:11 PM.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by FrankieBruno
                    People all butthurt by the frank truth

                    Floyd always goes one step beyond his weight class
                    Where did Pacquiao start his career? You sound as dumb as Ward dude.


                    Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Walter White View Post
                      LOL WHUT Andre WTF?

                      Manny and Floyd had no say in the negotiations when it came to Oscar because Oscar was the A-side. Manny also came up TWO weight classes.
                      Manny was actually very mouthy in his negotiations. The negotiations for DLH-Pac actually fell through because of Pacquiao's demands, which he then got.

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