Prime Paul Williams vs. Current Floyd Mayweather at 147 and 154

[RubenSonny]

Quintana rematch was 1 round

He caught him cold. I take much more from the 12 round schooling he got in the first fight. He never used his reach because he wasn't smart enough or good enough to.

Most people forget it was a close fight, it did expose a lot of holes in his game though.

[IMDAZED]

Quintana rematch was 1 round

He caught him cold. I take much more from the 12 round schooling he got in the first fight. He never used his reach because he wasn't smart enough or good enough to.

Maybe he adjusted?

And the first fight was fairly close. Clearly in the rematch he used his reach.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Had it 8-4. Didn't think it was all that close. He used his reach for 1 round and then forgot about it again when he got beat twice by Martinez? Not for me. He caught Quintana cold in the rematch and Quintana is average at best and chinny.

Williams looked good against stationary fighters - Margarito, Winky Wright etc. It's no coincidence.

[bojangles1987]

Had it 8-4. Didn't think it was all that close. He used his reach for 1 round and then forgot about it again when he got beat twice by Martinez? Not for me. He caught Quintana cold in the rematch and Quintana is average at best and chinny.

Williams looked good against stationary fighters - Margarito, Winky Wright etc. It's no coincidence.

He has a solid case for winning the first Martinez fight. It was very close either way.

[Mr Randy Watson]

Pwill doesnt win a round and neither does margarito. I find it so funny that these guys were considered threats.

[BafanaBafana]

Pwill doesnt win a round and neither does margarito. I find it so funny that these guys were considered threats.

Shot ODLH and Cotto won 4-5 rounds against Mayweather, Guerrero won 3, why wouldn't P.WIll and Margarito win at least 1 round against Mayweather? lol.

I think Margarito and Williams would have likely given Mayweather his toughest fights at 147-154. Both guys had unbelievable stamina and workrate (throwing over 100 punches a round) and would have made Mayweather work every second of every round.

They would have certainly been the most physically demanding fights Floyd ever fought. Then again that's why neither fight was ever made.

[IMDAZED]

Had it 8-4. Didn't think it was all that close. He used his reach for 1 round and then forgot about it again when he got beat twice by Martinez? Not for me. He caught Quintana cold in the rematch and Quintana is average at best and chinny.

Williams looked good against stationary fighters - Margarito, Winky Wright etc. It's no coincidence.

He used his reach pretty well in the first fight against Martinez. Martinez is just a damn good fighter. And while Quintana is average at best, it was a left hand, well disguised and thrown from seemingly halfway across the ring that did him in.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

He used his reach pretty well in the first fight against Martinez. Martinez is just a damn good fighter. And while Quintana is average at best, it was a left hand, well disguised and thrown from seemingly halfway across the ring that did him in.

This idea that it's just the left hand that Williams got hit with is a myth. He got hit with every punch in the book. Cintron made him do the stanky leg with a straight right.

He didn't use his reach very well at all against Martinez. He outworked Martinez in some rounds with activity but mostly leaned into clean punches all night - both rights and lefts.

[IMDAZED]

This idea that it's just the left hand that Williams got hit with is a myth. He got hit with every punch in the book. Cintron made him do the stanky leg with a straight right.

He didn't use his reach very well at all against Martinez. He outworked Martinez in some rounds with activity but mostly leaned into clean punches all night - both rights and lefts.

The bolded has nothing to do with what I wrote. In fact that whole paragraph but maybe that was meant for someone else?

And he didn't use his reach well enough against Martinez in the first fight, agreed. But he certainly had success when he did it. It was a pretty close fight.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Never saw it. He had success when he did his usual throwing a gazillion punches on the inside technique. He outworked Martinez in some exchanges. Sergio took the fight on short notice if we recall.

In fact, when he did try to punch from long range, he more often than not missed or fell short. Like I said, he can't deal with movement.