Comments Thread For: Mayweather Sr: If Pacquiao is Clean, Ass Gets Whooped!

[DannYankee]

For starters, Floyd wouldn't fight him because he's Top Rank. However if Floyd did fight him, he probably wouldn't hurt him because he's not known as a KO artist especially since moving up in weight. Unless of course Rios tries to head butt.

The point is, Pac before being accused of cheating was getting KO victories when fighting bigger and better opposition. Now he can't even KO some bum who was forced to move up to a weight class he didn't even fight at.

Also, Pac is known for winning by KO/TKO, Floyd is known for winning dominantly with boxing abilities. One is still doing what they are known for while the other isn't. Seems as if Sr is asking the question as to why that is.

Going down this path is ridiculous he knocked those 3 people out because it was that time and they where at that point and Pacquiao was at his.All that b/s Sr stirred over a few knockouts since he is the one who started the PED b/s that was just ****** if we go down this stretch then anybody can say any boxer who had a k.o streak did it because he was on PED's. Pacquiao is actually known and has always been because he overwhelms people since he was moving up and he got his tko's at higher weight came the same way he got them as a lower weight not with devastating power but devastating relentless offense over time. (except Hatton he must have done coke that night or was maybe still buzzed from running into that corner post in the Floyd fight)

Other than the Hatton fight Pac's career at higher weight classes has not been the k.o fest Sr made it out to be and most importantly the dude has never tested positive ever and the first time any rumor came up was started by sr so is pretty lame to defend that claim when there is no real evidence.

[mrjoeblive]

Actually i'm a Floyd fan..but feel free to use google perhaps you can actually find a non Lem article that may enlighten you...I know it took me all of two seconds to find but I won't bother I recognize fanboys when I see them. I hate when ya'll make us fans look like ******s spewing bullshhh to suit your badgering of the man. Pacquaio is a great champion just because he's a possible opponent for Mayweather it seems ya'll act like Floyd's girlfriends and need to go into ****** troll mode.

You speak of yourself with this post. I was on the scene in 09 and remember the massive fights that took place on nsb. You try to change documented history and when you get called out on your error you want to go into name calling. Its ok to disagree with another poster, no one is calling you names but you resort to pinche name calling. Im always willing to go head up for what I know. You make your self look like a reterd. You actually said floyd requested glove and ring size. Which is totally WRONG. I dont need google to state my position I know what im talking about. You want to forget pac said he was afraid of needles, which was too funny and that giving blood makes him weak. You want to say pac never had a problem with ost but it took him almost 6 years to use and he only used it for the FIRST time in the rios fight. You are upset because we dont agree to your erroneous post. Sorry dude no one can make you look bad only you can. There is nothing wrong with respecting anothers opinion. I work with a lot of pac fans we go back and forth on who is best with no silly name calling. Get real man.

[JJRod]

Yes i'm saying that what you are saying is bullshtttt and what Lem said in his article is bullshtttt. Plain and simple. Every other reputable boxing source has just about complete counter facts to Lem's article. The ring is the same that put Khan at #2 with one shoddy close win over Julio Diaz..so yeah they say and do what they want. Mosley got an 18 day cut off...here is a newsflash people...steroid don't work that fast!!!!! If you took a steroid in that window you'd still test positive on an OST standard test!!! No masking agent on earth would be able to mask a steroid in 14-18 days..a masking agent for steroid takes a little over a month to really kick in and it's a regimented process!! Try to educate yourself a bit, visit a european cycling forum sometime those guys know everything about roid and masking..it's very useful. I love Floyd but he's got some of ya'll out here looking like straight up fools in his defense. The man is perfectly capable of defending himself..the nonstop anti pacquaio onslaught is absolutely disgusting and does Floyd no justice at all..Like seriously if you really support FLOYD st-fu and avoid a pacquaio thread with the bullshhh from time to time.

We can go back and fort debating your bull****, but it all comes down to one simple thing. Why would Pacquiao deny OST testing? Why would he make such ridiculous demands of 30 days, oh no 24 days, oh 14 days, now 7 days?
Why go through all of the silliness? You keep mentioning the mainstream media who didn't report this, but his was the same media that ignored all of the steroid use in baseball for years. It took Jose Canseco to shed light on it.

[ADP02]

There was no 7 day difference pac wanted a 30 day cut off floyd gave a 14 day cut off which was rejected. And if pac was with ost, why did it take him almost 6 years to use it before a fight? Also absent being present and no positve test no one can say he is using. But there are crumbs to give a fighter a guilty look. Like moving up in wt and still keeping your ko power. And many boxers admitted to using peds and never failed a pre or post test.

Showed you proof about Floyd. Now I think it's time that I ask for your proof that Manny took PEDs ...... So where is the PROOF?

You should be asking of Floyd the same questions. Why did it take 40+ fights to start getting tested? Maybe he was guilty? How about the rumors that he tested positive 3 times? Maybe he was guilty? How about Floyd admitting to taking drugs prior to a fight. I even supplied you with proof that Floyd will take drugs!!!

My statement was slightly off but was in the ballpark and does NOT make a difference. Manny wanted 24 and Floyd wanted 14. See below for more proof.

So Manny was OK with extra drug testing and that included testing with no cutoff dates for urine samples.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/mma/boxing/05/02/pacquiao.mayweather/

[turnedup]

You speak of yourself with this post. I was on the scene in 09 and remember the massive fights that took place on nsb. You try to change documented history and when you get called out on your error you want to go into name calling. Its ok to disagree with another poster, no one is calling you names but you resort to pinche name calling. Im always willing to go head up for what I know. You make your self look like a reterd. You actually said floyd requested glove and ring size. Which is totally WRONG. I dont need google to state my position I know what im talking about. You want to forget pac said he was afraid of needles, which was too funny and that giving blood makes him weak. You want to say pac never had a problem with ost but it took him almost 6 years to use and he only used it for the FIRST time in the rios fight. You are upset because we dont agree to your erroneous post. Sorry dude no one can make you look bad only you can. There is nothing wrong with respecting anothers opinion. I work with a lot of pac fans we go back and forth on who is best with no silly name calling. Get real man.

He asked for ring size, he asked for glove size, he asked for the venue and he asked for the locker room. This has been stated over and over and over again and even Pacquaio is on video stating this in the same testing bulllshhh videos people avoid. No, i'm upset because I respect Floyd as a champion and Pacquaio as a champion. I have never accused either man of anything, what I have accused is both fan bases of bullshh. You in here talking about testing and bullshhh..g t fo h with that bullshhhh. You say you are a legit boxing fan well guess what buddy legit boxing fans don't sit around accusing another man of cheating with zero proof...which nobody clearly has if they did it would be public if it was ever going to happen it would've when ariza got fired. It didn't so let it go. Floyd was taken to court over this ******ity and realized they had nothing and settled the case. That should've been the end the story right there but believe what you want to believe. I normally avoid these threads because they are so full of people who read one article and base their entire knowledge on something around it. I've taken more drug tests in my life than any ten parolee's in my state and on a competitive level. If people actually knew how steroids work they might actually decide to shut up about it. Again google it or not...peace be onto you.

[turnedup]

We can go back and fort debating your bull****, but it all comes down to one simple thing. Why would Pacquiao deny OST testing? Why would he make such ridiculous demands of 30 days, oh no 24 days, oh 14 days, now 7 days?
Why go through all of the silliness? You keep mentioning the mainstream media who didn't report this, but his was the same media that ignored all of the steroid use in baseball for years. It took Jose Canseco to shed light on it.

Have you taken a steroid? Have you taken an OST test? From what I see no...Well idiot I have..and yes i've taken a steroid in the past so I know a bit more about how they work and how the masking process works. Now regarding the cut-off's you know the dates how?? Oh wait that's right you read one article on it right? Then read another article who quoted the original article and then another who quoted the original article. Guess what there are plenty of reporters who again have opposite facts to those you believe and are selling as truth. You remind me of the knowitalls who read one article on heart conditions and thinks they are a heart surgeon because of it. Mosley got 18 days cut off..the only thing Pacquaio could negotiate for that fight was the testing..but again you'd rather sit here and utter nonsense than use google that's on you. Peace be onto you.

[MindBat]

We can go back and fort debating your bull****, but it all comes down to one simple thing. Why would Pacquiao deny OST testing? Why would he make such ridiculous demands of 30 days, oh no 24 days, oh 14 days, now 7 days?

Why go through all of the silliness? You keep mentioning the mainstream media who didn't report this, but his was the same media that ignored all of the steroid use in baseball for years. It took Jose Canseco to shed light on it.

Imagine if Brandon had tried to delay the fight by making drug testing demands for cut-off days and weeks????

He'd be called every name in the book except for "punching bag".

[mrjoeblive]

Nobody right...I can clearly tell you've watched very limited boxing but ok. Nobody right..lmao. No point in even discussing anything further with you...lmao...oh my god. When all else fails reach for straws.

I not only know more about boxing than you but I also used to box. I even sparred with Hector"Macho" Comacho (never saw a man work so hard not to beat me up) you make statements and dont bother to back them up. I said nobody prove me wrong. You will find a few instances where a fighter fought bigger opposition and won. But I dont recall ANYONE who ever moved up multiple wt classes and kept their power. Prove me wrong with prove being the key term. Another thing I see you joined in 2012 these issues were discused In depth back in 09 so a lot of the stuff you post has already been debunked. You keep mentioning lem, there are multiple ways to obtain info. You should look into it because you make yourself look bad.

[mrjoeblive]

He asked for ring size, he asked for glove size, he asked for the venue and he asked for the locker room. This has been stated over and over and over again and even Pacquaio is on video stating this in the same testing bulllshhh videos people avoid. No, i'm upset because I respect Floyd as a champion and Pacquaio as a champion. I have never accused either man of anything, what I have accused is both fan bases of bullshh. You in here talking about testing and bullshhh..g t fo h with that bullshhhh. You say you are a legit boxing fan well guess what buddy legit boxing fans don't sit around accusing another man of cheating with zero proof...which nobody clearly has if they did it would be public if it was ever going to happen it would've when ariza got fired. It didn't so let it go. Floyd was taken to court over this ******ity and realized they had nothing and settled the case. That should've been the end the story right there but believe what you want to believe. I normally avoid these threads because they are so full of people who read one article and base their entire knowledge on something around it. I've taken more drug tests in my life than any ten parolee's in my state and on a competitive level. If people actually knew how steroids work they might actually decide to shut up about it. Again google it or not...peace be onto you.

The funny thing is the mayweathers were not the 1st ones to say they suspected pac of using peds. They just got all the attention. And as a fan and a boxer of course I was suspect of pac a lot of fighters were too. Ped use in boxing is wide spread its not just pac its a lot of boxers. And a lot of them came clean and admitted to such use. And they passed all the test and for years claimed they were clean. In a sport where millions are made a lot of men want an advantage where natural talent and a good work ethic weren't present. I seen guys openly say in the gym if they could take druges and move up and make more they would.

[JJRod]

Have you taken a steroid? Have you taken an OST test? From what I see no...Well idiot I have..and yes i've taken a steroid in the past so I know a bit more about how they work and how the masking process works. Now regarding the cut-off's you know the dates how?? Oh wait that's right you read one article on it right? Then read another article who quoted the original article and then another who quoted the original article. Guess what there are plenty of reporters who again have opposite facts to those you believe and are selling as truth. You remind me of the knowitalls who read one article on heart conditions and thinks they are a heart surgeon because of it. Mosley got 18 days cut off..the only thing Pacquaio could negotiate for that fight was the testing..but again you'd rather sit here and utter nonsense than use google that's on you. Peace be onto you.

You keep referring to Lem article, but there were more than just one article.
Dan Rafael of ESPN reported the exact same thing. He reported quotes from Roach weeks before saying he had no problem with Pacquiao taking OST then suddenly Roach flip-floped. He also recorded quotes from Todd duBoef saying drawing blood weakend Pacquiao.

You're right I don't know much about roids, as I have never taken any. But I do know when people are spewing bullcrap. And asking for specific dates for drug testing is bullcrap. Saying you're ok with it but changing your mind when it comes time to sign again is bull crap.

I know you're going to ask for the link so here it is

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4766171