Murray is a coward, plain and simple. How can you defend him?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You want to talk business.... no problem with Murray waiting out for a non-existent shot with Martinez and a 0.1 percent shot against Sturm.
Arum flat out said he could match Bradley with Pacquiao in Feb of 2011. That's a bigger chance than Murray fighting Sturm or Martinez.

Sturm has mentioned Murray as a potential opponent.

You fool... I guarantee you he won't get sturm. Let's talk business... again like you like to talk about now since Murray won't fight Golovkin.

What does Murray offer Sturm business wise?
Nothing, he's just another opponent, a guy who's more dangerous than the average bottom ranker in the top 15 of the IBF.
He could make just as much fighting Caleb Truax than a rematch with Murray.

Murray offers nothing to Sturm business wise....NOTHINGGGG

They had a controversial draw already so its a natural rematch. German TV had Murray winning.

I think the plan was for Murray to get the WBA regular and then "unify" with Sturm = big business

[Hougigo]

Calling it now...Chudinov is what he needs...rather Hyrunov

[US Dirk Killer]

Sturm has mentioned Murray as a potential opponent.



They had a controversial draw already so its a natural rematch. German TV had Murray winning.

I think the plan was for Murray to get the WBA regular and then "unify" with Sturm = big business

Okay, so when Arum outright says he can match Bradley up with Pacquiao... that means nothing and there's no future implications?

That was the plan, he was gonna take a "title" and run with it.
That's not happening now.

He had a controversial draw. What're the chances that Sturm rematches a guy who almost beat him compared to guys who actually beat him?

Soliman had a controversial win and has a mandatory shot
Geale has a legit win and is the number three with the number 2 spot empty. An eliminator in between the Soliman fight will make him the mando.
Barker has a rematch clause and if he heals up and comes back for one fight could happen.
Stick pointless voluntaries in there to keep him tuned up and where does Murray fit in? He'll make as much money fighting somebody like Truax or some other bottom barrel WBA kid. Everyone is now going for Sturm in Germany, even Macklin, and Macklin did better

[LoadedWraps]

Yeah but Golovkin is a star here, not Murray.

Also, I doubt he'd get paid more for Strum than for GGG's fight.

I don't think you can call GGG a star quite yet.


And what the heck happened to that guy in your sig? it looks like he was evading those shots and then he just falls down.

[Hougigo]

I don't think you can call GGG a star quite yet.


And what the heck happened to that guy in your sig? it looks like he was evading those shots and then he just falls down.

He's not a huge star, but he is one on HBO and his rise is really quite impressive considering he was not very well known a year and a half ago.

lol, remember this? Hard to believe this was almost 3 years ago



He's at the cusp needing that breakout fight.

And I think that guy threw the fight, lol

[daggum]

I don't think you can call GGG a star quite yet.


And what the heck happened to that guy in your sig? it looks like he was evading those shots and then he just falls down.

he does better ratings than ward or Sergio Martinez. those guys are the "cash cows' though in fantasy land.

[US Dirk Killer]

I don't think you can call GGG a star quite yet.


And what the heck happened to that guy in your sig? it looks like he was evading those shots and then he just falls down.

GGG is a star. Not a mega star like Pac or Floyd, but he's a star. Ratings speak for themselves. He sold out the Theater too... Donaire couldn't even do that

[LoadedWraps]

He's not a huge star, but he is one on HBO and his rise is really quite impressive considering he was not very well known a year and a half ago.

lol, remember this? Hard to believe this was almost 3 years ago



He's at the cusp needing that breakout fight.

And I think that guy threw the fight, lol

I agree with that, but that's a big line to cross, he is one breakout fight away for sure. But right? I am positive I can walk outside and ask a random person and they won't know who he is. Heck even in my own gym, sadly. The younger fighters wouldn't know him, the trainers would.

[US Dirk Killer]

I agree with that, but that's a big line to cross, he is one breakout fight away for sure. But right? I am positive I can walk outside and ask a random person and they won't know who he is. Heck even in my own gym, sadly. The younger fighters wouldn't know him, the trainers would.

That's a boxing problem.
If I go out and ask somebody who Adrien Broner is that wouldn't be fair....because they probably have a warrant for his arrest in the state.
But there are very few boxers random people will now, Manny and floyd. After that, it's a regional thing.
I go outside and ask somebody about Danny or B-Hop in philly... they'll know.
******ia...not so much.

There are only a few...like one handful, of boxers the general public will know

[Hougigo]

I agree with that, but that's a big line to cross, he is one breakout fight away for sure. But right? I am positive I can walk outside and ask a random person and they won't know who he is. Heck even in my own gym, sadly. The younger fighters wouldn't know him, the trainers would.

I think Manny and Floyd are the only real people that the general public will now....maybe a few others like B-Hop.
That line... I don't now if Golovkin can cross it.... it's incredibly hard. I'm talking about super stardom at an international level.
He could probably do it if he keeps knocking guys out on HBO... but he has no time to do it