Comments Thread For: Roy Jones Eyes Title Run: I Feel Like I'm 27, 28-Years-Old

[Jack Napier]

10 yrs later, he's still not getting the hint

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He talks like he always talks.

As far as his speech goes, he's fine in that department. If you can't understand him, you wouldn't of been able to before either. he talks perfectly fine on HBO.

It was On The Ropes #202. Have a listen and see what you think.

I remember seeing him on a chat show a few years ago after he'd suffered a knock-out and his speech was a little off then though he put it down to a bad tooth and said it wasn't because he was punchy. The fact that he felt the need to mention it worried me then. Even taking into account his natural drawl I think his speech has deteriorated.

I was thinking about his commentating earlier. When he's focused on what he's saying and has had time to rehearse it and concentrate on pronunciation then he doesn't slur, though it does sound forced. Obviously though you would have listened to him sleeking on more occasions than I have so maybe I'm wrong. Have a little listen to the above though and see what you think.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

He talks like he always talks.

As far as his speech goes, he's fine in that department. If you can't understand him, you wouldn't of been able to before either. he talks perfectly fine on HBO.

I agree that the sound of his speech is the same, he isnt slurring words. But i have noticed he stumbles alot more than he used to..

Go watch his commentary from manny-morales 1 era, he never messes up, but recently i have noticed he will say words in the wrong order, or stumble on a word, and it takes him 2 or 3 times to correct himself... Thats the only difference i see

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1. you make valid points, but roy is almost superhuman when it comes to athletic ability in the ring though, so i think he relied on it, and never became fundamentally sound in the pro ranks

2. Dawson's trouble is that he is totally chin and brain wrecked,, he does everything textbook, but thinking, his ring IQ is very low, plus the ward beating really took something out of him physically, i know the weight did him in, but the damage he took to the brain is something he will never recover from, Roy has never taken a beating like that in his heyday

3. If roy was solid in fundamentals, can you show me the fight where he performed them, because i have seen his whole career unfold and have never seen him use fundamentals like hands up, jabbing to set up shots, etc. All i have ever seen him do is use his amazing speed and reflexes and ring IQ to dismantle guys, but once he was done, he had no fundamentals to fall back on, and his career sunk quicker than a rock

That really was the point that I was making. Regardless of fundamental technique both fighters became very vulnerable after stripping off lean body mass. So for me it isn't an issue of Roy not having the fundamentals to fall back on, it's an issue that he was a shot fighter once he dropped in weight. Dawson does have the fundamental technique to fall back on, but that isn't a factor because like Roy once he dropped in weight he's looked shot.

Of course there you are right. I'm not suggesting that he boxed in a text book manner. The point that I'm trying to make is that in order to box the way he did, for instance defensively: rather than defend himself with a high guard and blocking he choose to preponderantly control the distance and slip shots. With the calibre of opposition that he fought he wouldn't have been able to get away with that on reflexes alone. Hamed couldn't and a fighter like Amir Khan has great speed and reflexes but he makes far too many fundamental mistakes to take full advantage of them.

I understand what you're saying and I partly agree, he was boxing's poster boy for superhuman physicality after all. I just feel that if he hadn't of been shot through stripping off lean body mass he would have been able to adapt to an inevitable loss in speed and reflexes, because behind those were a great grasp of fundamentals. Unlike Ali for instance, who was also physically gifted, I believe Roy's style of boxing was a conscious choice that he made after grasping the fundamentals of the craft.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

That really was the point that I was making. Regardless of fundamental technique both fighters became very vulnerable after stripping off lean body mass. So for me it isn't an issue of Roy not having the fundamentals to fall back on, it's an issue that he was a shot fighter once he dropped in weight. Dawson does have the fundamental technique to fall back on, but that isn't a factor because like Roy once he dropped in weight he's looked shot.

Of course there you are right. I'm not suggesting that he boxed in a text book manner. The point that I'm trying to make is that in order to box the way he did, for instance defensively: rather than defend himself with a high guard and blocking he choose to preponderantly control the distance and slip shots. With the calibre of opposition that he fought he wouldn't have been able to get away with that on reflexes alone. Hamed couldn't and a fighter like Amir Khan has great speed and reflexes but he makes far too many fundamental mistakes to take full advantage of them.

I understand what you're saying and I partly agree, he was boxing's poster boy for superhuman physicality after all. I just feel that if he hadn't of been shot through stripping off lean body mass he would have been able to adapt to an inevitable loss in speed and reflexes, because behind those were a great grasp of fundamentals. Unlike Ali for instance, who was also physically gifted, I believe Roy's style of boxing was a conscious choice that he made after grasping the fundamentals of the craft.

The muscle mass excuse can be used for the first tarver fight, but after that, he had plenty of time for tarver 2, glen, tarver 3, calzaghe, etc

His muscle mass loss probably had alot to do with the traver 1 performance, but roy didnt take the beating like ward did dawson
There is no way roy should have struggled so much in those post-tarver 1 fights, unless he doesnt have a solid grasp of fundamentals, and able to perform them at the pro level.. If he did, he should have schooled tarver in the rematches just like hopkins did, and dawson did

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The muscle mass excuse can be used for the first tarver fight, but after that, he had plenty of time for tarver 2, glen, tarver 3, calzaghe, etc

His muscle mass loss probably had alot to do with the traver 1 performance, but roy didnt take the beating like ward did dawson
There is no way roy should have struggled so much in those post-tarver 1 fights, unless he doesnt have a solid grasp of fundamentals, and able to perform them at the pro level.. If he did, he should have schooled tarver in the rematches just like hopkins did, and dawson did

It would be interesting to know on an exact biological level what exactly happens to the body when it has gone through that process, especially why it seems to effect punch resistance.

I think the effects are more permanent, rather than short term.

There was a tacit assumption a while back though that we were never going to agree on this one. But out of interest, what rematches are you referring to? Hopkins only ever fought Tarver once and Dawson won both bouts by a wide margin. My point also, was about what happens after a fighter loses lean muscle mass. Dawson has been stopped twice.

[midnight_magic]

RJJ has become a massive joke. Really you feel like you're in your 20's? You can't even speak a sentence without sluring your words to advertise your $5 Internet PPV's.

Somone put this ****** out of his misery already

[mathed]

Come on, Roy!!!

Snap out of it.

WOW, no kidding. What the hell is up with Jones, man? He is completely out of touch with reality. Roy, you talk like you are 65 and look like a shell of a shell of yourself in the ring, not to mention you avoid the beach because you get concussed by the ocean breeze. You might FEEL like you are 28 but you fight like you are 82 in contrast to what you did at 28.

[mathed]

The muscle mass excuse can be used for the first tarver fight, but after that, he had plenty of time for tarver 2, glen, tarver 3, calzaghe, etc

His muscle mass loss probably had alot to do with the traver 1 performance, but roy didnt take the beating like ward did dawson
There is no way roy should have struggled so much in those post-tarver 1 fights, unless he doesnt have a solid grasp of fundamentals, and able to perform them at the pro level.. If he did, he should have schooled tarver in the rematches just like hopkins did, and dawson did

It would be interesting to know on an exact biological level what exactly happens to the body when it has gone through that process, especially why it seems to effect punch resistance.

I think the effects are more permanent, rather than short term.

There was a tacit assumption a while back though that we were never going to agree on this one. But out of interest, what rematches are you referring to? Hopkins only ever fought Tarver once and Dawson won both bouts by a wide margin. My point also, was about what happens after a fighter loses lean muscle mass. Dawson has been stopped twice.

Roy was on that nitro juice back in da day. I'm talking about the high octane stuff. You couple that with his insane natural athletic ability and he was a monster in there. Like you guys said, he relied heavily on his ability instead of "sound fundamentals" so when his reflexes faded a bit, he could not cope. He never really ever got touched in the ring prior to that Tarver fight and once he got dropped, it messed him up mentally. No offense to the guy but I have thought he was a drug addict for a long time.....I just get a crack head vibe from him and some kind of a secret drug habit like that could explain why it's lights out every time he gets hit and the slurring of his words...considering he hasn't really been beaten up over his career, he just goes down with every hit.