The USA "GETTING RAN OUT OF BOXING" Debt clock and counting.

[LOWBLOW_CHAMP]

Wladimir is the last 8 years has been far more dominant than Mayweather. Compare knockout ratios and round and the maths are completely on my side.

POVENTKIN a top HEAvyweight didn't win one round and got knocked down 3 times, canaelo alvez a prospect with no amateur background lost by a few 4 rounds on my score card with one score card being very close. And he was weight drained.

Who was floyds last ko?Ortiz whom he was getting bust up by and koed him with a cheap shot.


Start using your brain please.

As for Wlad, he is light years better than Bradley, a fighter that as someone else said has to be the worst undefeated fighter ever.

wlad hugging and pushing poventkin down means nothing lol the ref even had to take points away wlad was fighting so dirty.

[4Corners]

you could do, but I bet you don't. plus the P4P rankings are subjective and completely biased in favour of US fighters.

Don't forget a few moments ago paul Williams, broner and dawson were all "p4p" legends.

As say I hope you are right, but to be brutally honest as dirk diggler says Bradleys on borrowed time.

If Bradley was British from some neighborhood called The Shire, you'd be on here saying Bradley beating Marquez was the greatest win in a decade.

Mayweather and Ward are hands down the two best fighters in the world, and Bradley just beat Marquez, who beat the 3rd best fighter in the world prior to losing to Bradley. Danny Garcia is the best 140 fighter in the world, stopped Khan when he was on top of 140 and beat Lucas, who supposed to brutally KO him. Mikey Garcia beat down Salido, who was the #1 126, and just won a title at 130 over Martinez. He will be winning titles from 130-135 no doubt, I don't see anyone beating him around that weight other then maybe Terence Crawford, who's also American.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

So I guess our young fighters suck too......

Errol Spence, Gary Russell, Diego Magdaleno, Danny Garcia, Demetrius Andrade, Keith Thurman, Shawn Porter, Terence Crawford, Mikey Garcia are all young fighters.

Timothy Bradley is 30, still has probably anywhere from 2/3-5 years left unless he slips in the next couple years. Mayweather is still the best fighter in the sport. Andre Ward is 29, hopefully he finally moves up and schools Kovalev and Stevenson like he would.

We could have half the Top 10 P4P in the next year. Mayweather, Bradley, Ward, Danny, and Mikey could all be there in the next year.

I don't remember anyone saying they "******". I am actually trying not to troll this thread. The presence of New England makes that a challenge lol.

I don't really see anyone in that list that screams P4P King to me. They might all be decent fighters or they could just easily be the next Andre Berto. Mayweather and Ward are part of the last couple of generations. Ward was your last gold medal winner from 04 I believe, Mayweather was in 96. When the guys from 08 and 2012 start coming through, it could be a new landscape.

[Jloro]

That is funny, USA is on top and the guys who just lost will be back.

[slimshandy69]

If Bradley was British from some neighborhood called The Shire, you'd be on here saying Bradley beating Marquez was the greatest win in a decade.

Mayweather and Ward are hands down the two best fighters in the world, and Bradley just beat Marquez, who beat the 3rd best fighter in the world prior to losing to Bradley. Danny Garcia is the best 140 fighter in the world, stopped Khan when he was on top of 140 and beat Lucas, who supposed to brutally KO him. Mikey Garcia beat down Salido, who was the #1 126, and just won a title at 130 over Martinez. He will be winning titles from 130-135 no doubt, I don't see anyone beating him around that weight other then maybe Terence Crawford, who's also American.

Bradley lost to ruslan and Manny, and has been down many times in his career.

Clinching??? andre ward not only clinches to death he headbutts to death and should have been disqualified against Kessler.

WLAD won every round with 3 knock downs against the second best heavyweight. That is stunning.

Wheras Bradley lost to Pacquio and ruslan. We all know this.

As I say its an interesting debate and I hope youll prove me wrong, but I will be updating this. If I am wrong and all these yank "p4p" fighters come along then feel free to update this thread mate.

[4Corners]

Spence and Russell have more skills than Berto to me. But we'll see. Russell needs to step up, but he has everything it seems. Spence just started last year, and has already fought like 10 times. He could has future Top P4P talent. Crawford has shown against a decent opposition that he has Top P4P talent. Mikey Garcia has as well.

[4Corners]

Bradley lost to ruslan and Manny, and has been down many times in his career.

Clinching??? andre ward not only clinches to death he headbutts to death and should have been disqualified against Kessler.

WLAD won every round with 3 knock downs against the second best heavyweight. That is stunning.

Wheras Bradley lost to Pacquio and ruslan. We all know this.

As I say its an interesting debate and I hope youll prove me wrong, but I will be updating this. If I am wrong and all these yank "p4p" fighters come along then feel free to update this thread mate.

Bradley didn't lose to Provonikov, it was a close fight that could have gone either way. The fact that he got the W going toe-to-toe with him instead of just boxing him the whole time is a testament to Bradley's toughness if anything.

Bradley lost to Manny, but he also just handily beat the guy who KO'd Manny. If he was British, you'd be on his jock right now.

Where did I say anything about Wlad???

[Dirk Diggler UK]

If Bradley was British from some neighborhood called The Shire, you'd be on here saying Bradley beating Marquez was the greatest win in a decade.

Why? It's not like Bradley was a huge underdog. It was not so long ago that Khan tried to fight Marquez who turned down the fight and people were saying that Khan was picking on a smaller, old man. He KO'd Pacquaio in a fight he was losing and people made him favourite over Bradley. In reality, Bradley should have been the favourite against a 40 year old career smaller fighter. And his performance wasn't even impressive.

Lets not forget he looked like crap (arguably lost if not for shady referring) against Provodnikov and Pacquaio actually looked bored with how comfortably he was beating him. Bradley to me is the luckiest fighter in boxing at the moment. He gets wins and fights he shouldn't get. His performances are mostly lacklustre yet he's rated 3rd in the world most likely because he's American.

[PACnPBFsuck]

Tell Burns to keep that belt warm for Crawford.

[junior gong]

Its been happening in the other sports like tennis Golf, American pool, etc. But nothing is as scary as the decline of American boxing. With no Heavy weight champions since 1996, and no Medals(not one) in the 2012 Olympics, If any American cannot see the long term decline of Boxing in their country then they are kidding themselves.

I have always said Broner was a fraud, and he is on the list of Ameericans not only losing but being ran out of boxing. So ill compile a list in the recent years. Your best fighters are Floyd, Ward, Hopkins, and Bradley with Garcia a close 4th. Floyds is 37 soon and has 4 fights left which we all know he wont be able to honour and WILL LOSE. Hopkins is sandwiched between Adonis Stevenson and Sergey Kovalev at age 48. Lets be honest, hes either retiring or hes out of there. And Timothy Bradley hasn't won his last 3 fights. He got beat down by many pac, and Horrible beat down by RUslan and a draw against Marquez. Its only a matter of time before he gets schooled by khan or Garcia(Also an American). Mattyse could also school him imo.


Here s alist of "propsects" and active High profile American fighters getting ran out of boxing.

Seth Mitchell
ANdre dirrell
Curtis stevens
Danny Jacobs
Alan green
Adrian Broner
Kelly pavlik
eddie chambers
kevin Mitchel
Tony Thompson(like this dude, great fighter)
Chad Dawson

Predicted ticking time bomb additions-Timothy bradely


Stay tuned.



Andre dirrell

What a ****ing joke! Really??? After the year of boxing that we've just had, so many good fights and some good fighters from America and the promise of more next year? There is so much ****** in making this thread. Gonad.