Floyd's Shoulder Roll vs Pacquiao's Mobility?

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  • Pacquiao'd
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    #71
    Originally posted by DoubleLeftH00k
    I see alot of triangle theorist in my thread
    Lets not get it on triangle guys coz if we do we will end up with
    Floyd struggled with cotto,de lahoya,who pac beat with ease
    Manny struggled and knockout by marquez who floyd beat with ease
    this Is a 50/50 fight no matter how u believe its not,
    Consider that pacqiao straight left always lands againts fast or slow opponents
    Im thinking how would floyd react wheb pac connects with it

    Also I want to see how would pac react when in the ring with as fast as him in floyd
    Floyd did not struggle with cotto or de la Hoya. He boxed Dlhs ears off. He decided to fight cotto. The same people who said Floyd's legs were gone said cotto forced Floyd to stop boxing which was bs. Floyd stop boxing and decided to fight cotto around the 3rd or 4th round because he could.

    And he didn't struggle with either. Cotto won 2 rounds, 3 being generous. Dlh won 3, 4 being generous. Cotto fight looked more competitive because Floyd choosing to fight rather that box his ears off.
    Last edited by Pacquiao'd; 11-27-2013, 05:57 PM.

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    • KickAzz
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      #72
      Cherrypicker won't use the shoulder roll against Pacquiao. He'll run and clinch

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      • mrpizza-nd_beer
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        #73
        Leave Floyd alone. He is scared. He won't ever have the chance to use the shoulder roll because he won't step in the ring with the Man.

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        • DoubleLeftH00k
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          #74
          Originally posted by Pacquiao'd
          Floyd did not struggle with cotto or de la Hoya. He boxed Dlhs ears off. He decided to fight cotto. The same people who said Floyd's legs were gone said cotto forced Floyd to stop boxing which was bs. Floyd stop boxing and decided to fight cotto around the 3rd or 4th round because he could.

          And he didn't struggle with either. Cotto won 2 rounds, 3 being generous. Dlh won 3, 4 being generous. Cotto fight looked more competitive because Floyd choosing to fight rather that box his ears off.
          I dunno , u could say floyd did this floyd diD that...
          One thing for sure I know is he didnt look good in that fight

          Im not trying to bash ur man floyd, all im saying is we cant judge how this two would end up if they ever see each other in the ring base on tfiangle theory that never works

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          • damned1974
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            #75
            TBH I don't think it would be that difficult for Floyd. Floyd could use range because Pac prefers to lead in fights if his opponent uses range.

            Manny against guys who use range has a tendency to lunge in, cannot cut off the ring and does not throw volume...he is also the shorter guy and would be trying to force his way in closer.

            Against a taller southpaw in RG, Floyd didn't need to fight on the outside because it served him better to fight in close where the taller RG's long arms would have difficulty hitting the target.
            Against Manny,the much smaller fighter, Floyd would use range and pick him apart...also note that Manny is not too good in the clinch or fighting on the inside-he is best when his opponents are planting their feet at mid-range, which as soon as they do this, he will fire combos to keep them defensive and then try to turn them.

            Floyd's philly shell works against southpaws when they are in close, but not at a distance because of the angle of the southpaw's left. He used the philly shell against Ortiz-but only when Ortiz was on the inside.

            All in all, I think once Floyd adjusts to the style and finds his range (maybe the first 2 rounds), then it is a wrap.It is very hard to win rounds off of Floyd-especially when he has started winning them.

            I see the fight as Floyd fighting and keeping the fight on the outside, picking Pac off with lead rights ( Floyd can do this because he doesn't have to worry about a left hand body shot-Pac never throws them like the way Saul throws them)and clinching if Pac DOES get too close, and hitting til the ref seperates, then using range again... very tough fight to win for Manny, who would probably never have an answer or be able to adapt to this strategy.
            Last edited by damned1974; 11-27-2013, 07:04 PM.

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              #76
              Originally posted by Derranged
              I think for Floyd to win he's gonna have to get aggressive. Pac throws too many punches for Floyd to just coast via potshots and counters.

              However, fighters wind up throwing way less punches against Floyd because the openings just aren't there like in other fights. Can Pac keep up his high work rate?

              I'm really excited for this fight.

              When Manny fought Clottey and Margarito, he threw 100 punches per rounds. He wasn't able to do that against counter-punchers like, Marquez and Bradley. I think Floyd would dictate the pace and force Manny to fight at a slower pace like Manny did against Marquez in their third fight.

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                #77
                Originally posted by Carpe Diem
                When Manny fought Clottey and Margarito, he threw 100 punches per rounds. He wasn't able to do that against counter-punchers like, Marquez and Bradley. I think Floyd would dictate the pace and force Manny to fight at a slower pace like Manny did against Marquez in their third fight.
                Even against Mosely (who tried to use range in their fight), Manny wasn't able to throw any more than 1-2 punches at a time. Against a guy who is a master at range and counters like Floyd-he would get picked apart.

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                  #78
                  Orthodox vs Southpaw always comes down to lead-foot positioning, and that's the only way that i can see Manny giving Floyd a hard time.

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                  • ThePunchingBag
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                    #79
                    Pac's lateral movement would make it look slightly similar to RJJ-Toney.

                    He has the speed, angles and southpaw style to touch up Mayweather more than he's ever been before.

                    The question is whether that will be enough.

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by Carpe Diem
                      When Manny fought Clottey and Margarito, he threw 100 punches per rounds. He wasn't able to do that against counter-punchers like, Marquez and Bradley. I think Floyd would dictate the pace and force Manny to fight at a slower pace like Manny did against Marquez in their third fight.
                      The thing is Marquez surprised Pac with 1 punch KO power. Marquez was bloodied up before he landed the shot seen round the world.

                      Unless Floyd can keep Pac off him I can see Pac landing some solid shots despite fighting at a slower pace.

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