Comments Thread For: Marquez: Rios Too Mechanical To Beat Manny Pacqiuao

[way2strong]

so this guy is arguing that marquez was robbed the first two fights but not the 3rd and most people think that was the fight marquez actually won? gtfo marquez did not beat manny untill he slept him Im mexican to *** the biased bull ... you judge a fight by watching it not paper he got his azz beat... and bradley had him rocking and rolling if it was a old school 15 rounder he might of had jmm kissing the floor

[Jerzz]

Fights are judged by rounds. Marquez could've landed 20 punches in Rd 1 and Pacquiao 4 and in Rd 2, Pacquiao lands 6 but Marquez only lands 3. Punches landed would favour Marquez 23 to 10 over Pacquiao but in Rounds, you have to score it 1-1. If you are going to break down the fights, please do so round by round, your argument would carry more weight.

True and there is knock downs +1 pt

[budfr]

so this guy is arguing that marquez was robbed the first two fights but not the 3rd and most people think that was the fight marquez actually won? gtfo marquez did not beat manny untill he slept him Im mexican to *** the biased bull ... you judge a fight by watching it not paper he got his azz beat... and bradley had him rocking and rolling if it was a old school 15 rounder he might of had jmm kissing the floor

you believe Bradley won?? youa are not Mexican. You are Puerto Rican.

[budfr]

My God i just HAD TO reply to such an idiotic comment.

Marquez vs. Pacquiao

Compubox stats:

LANDED PUNCHES
1st fight: Marquez outlanded Paccquiao (158 to 148 punches)
2nd fight: Marquez outlanded Paccquiao (172 to 157 punches)
3d fight: Pacquiao outlanded Marquez (176 to 138 punches)

ACCURACY RATIO THROWN/LANDED
1st fight: Marquez outclassed Pacquiao (29% vs. 23%)
2nd fight: Marquez outclassed Pacquiao (34% vs. 25%)
3d fight: Marquez outclassed Pacquiao (32 vs. 30%)

Conclusion#1: Marquez outclassed Pacquiao in the first two fights, both in quality and quantity. So he is not "whining" when he says he won, but he is wrong in the third one, where Pacquiao outlanded him by a lot, although the "quality", most powerful punches were landed by Marquez and that's why THE MAJORITY of experts gave the fight to Marquez.

Conclusion#2: Marquez could have actually won ALL THREE fights previous to the fourth, if the majority of judges hadn't been biased towards Pacquiao. Marquez could be 4-0, not 1-1-2. That's why he is complaining.


Marquez vs. Chris John

That so-called "loss" was a very controversial decision, which many experts even called a robbery against Marquez. Two one-point deductions for low blows that were utterly exaggerated (referee benefited John) and a wide decision for the local, in a very close fight where according to many experts JMM is the one who threw the more significant punches. I tried to find the fight stats from that bout to exhaustion, but I just couldn't find them anywhere. There's a reason for that I'm sure, which has to be related to Indonesian boxing ruling associations not wanting such stats to be published, because I'm almost 100% sure they favor JMM, probably even by a large margin. I wonder, how many other times has JMM ever been deducted points for throwing so-called "low blows"?

Marquez vs. Bradley

This is the peak of idiocy, calling that very controversial Bradley's victory a "schooling". Nothing farther from the truth.

Fight stats Marquez-Bradley

Jabs
Bradley: 82/337 = 24.33%
Marquez: 38/169 = 22.48%

Power punches
Bradley: 86/225 = 38.22%
Marquez: 115/286 = 40.20%

Totals: Jabs + Power Punches
Bradley: 168/562 = 29.89%
Marquez: 153/455 = 33.62%


The stats say it all. Bradley won in the jabbing department, while Marquez won in the power-punching department. In accuracy, Marquez won. Also, Marquez was the one pushing for the fight all night, while Bradley ws the one avoiding fighting at all costs. It's completely ****** calling such a fight a "schooling", in view of such statistics. Clearly, two judges valued more the act of jabbing and avoiding confrontation, and one judge saw it the other way around. A very close fight, where the local won. Had that same fight taken place in Mexico, with no native English-speaking judges, I'm sure the winner would have been Marquez.

Marquez vs. Mayweather

Nothing much to say there. Marquez got totally outclassed. He even looked clumsy and foolish. But he was in the very worst fight-shape of his entire career: soft, slow, fat, completely out of shape (he went up two weight divisions in a short time period) and to top it off Mayweather was way above the agreed catch weight at the weigh-in and also way heavier and way more defined and better built than Marquez, on fight night. All the advantages were for Floyd on that one, but Marquez was a total idiot and accepted the fight under such uneven circumstances, so he totally deserved that embarrassing loss.

Bottom line, the Mayweather fight was THE ONLY CLEAR LOSS in Marquez's whole career. All his other losses have been under controversial decisions. He is right to complain about such biased decision, which his haters --anti-Mexican bigots in their majority-- claim to be "whining".

Great post. Like reading a sports magazine. I agree in everything posted.

[Infamous]

so this guy is arguing that marquez was robbed the first two fights but not the 3rd and most people think that was the fight marquez actually won? gtfo marquez did not beat manny untill he slept him Im mexican to *** the biased bull ... you judge a fight by watching it not paper he got his azz beat... and bradley had him rocking and rolling if it was a old school 15 rounder he might of had jmm kissing the floor

I have Marquez winning the 2nd and 3rd fight, but losing the 1st. Idk how anyone can get knocked down 3x and come back to draw in a competitive fight... ****s legendary. But Marquez did lose to Bradley no doubt

[mev1]

it might be annoying to us; but that's what makes him a real boxer who put Pac to sleep and not a keyboard warrior like us

Ditto!!! The real Champions never think they lose. It's in their DNA. It's what makes them Champions. Good post.

[HeroBando]

My God i just HAD TO reply to such an idiotic comment.

Marquez vs. Pacquiao

Compubox stats:

LANDED PUNCHES
1st fight: Marquez outlanded Paccquiao (158 to 148 punches)
2nd fight: Marquez outlanded Paccquiao (172 to 157 punches)
3d fight: Pacquiao outlanded Marquez (176 to 138 punches)

ACCURACY RATIO THROWN/LANDED
1st fight: Marquez outclassed Pacquiao (29% vs. 23%)
2nd fight: Marquez outclassed Pacquiao (34% vs. 25%)
3d fight: Marquez outclassed Pacquiao (32 vs. 30%)

Conclusion#1: Marquez outclassed Pacquiao in the first two fights, both in quality and quantity. So he is not "whining" when he says he won, but he is wrong in the third one, where Pacquiao outlanded him by a lot, although the "quality", most powerful punches were landed by Marquez and that's why THE MAJORITY of experts gave the fight to Marquez.

Conclusion#2: Marquez could have actually won ALL THREE fights previous to the fourth, if the majority of judges hadn't been biased towards Pacquiao. Marquez could be 4-0, not 1-1-2. That's why he is complaining.


Marquez vs. Chris John

That so-called "loss" was a very controversial decision, which many experts even called a robbery against Marquez. Two one-point deductions for low blows that were utterly exaggerated (referee benefited John) and a wide decision for the local, in a very close fight where according to many experts JMM is the one who threw the more significant punches. I tried to find the fight stats from that bout to exhaustion, but I just couldn't find them anywhere. There's a reason for that I'm sure, which has to be related to Indonesian boxing ruling associations not wanting such stats to be published, because I'm almost 100% sure they favor JMM, probably even by a large margin. I wonder, how many other times has JMM ever been deducted points for throwing so-called "low blows"?

Marquez vs. Bradley

This is the peak of idiocy, calling that very controversial Bradley's victory a "schooling". Nothing farther from the truth.

Fight stats Marquez-Bradley

Jabs
Bradley: 82/337 = 24.33%
Marquez: 38/169 = 22.48%

Power punches
Bradley: 86/225 = 38.22%
Marquez: 115/286 = 40.20%

Totals: Jabs + Power Punches
Bradley: 168/562 = 29.89%
Marquez: 153/455 = 33.62%


The stats say it all. Bradley won in the jabbing department, while Marquez won in the power-punching department. In accuracy, Marquez won. Also, Marquez was the one pushing for the fight all night, while Bradley ws the one avoiding fighting at all costs. It's completely ****** calling such a fight a "schooling", in view of such statistics. Clearly, two judges valued more the act of jabbing and avoiding confrontation, and one judge saw it the other way around. A very close fight, where the local won. Had that same fight taken place in Mexico, with no native English-speaking judges, I'm sure the winner would have been Marquez.

Marquez vs. Mayweather

Nothing much to say there. Marquez got totally outclassed. He even looked clumsy and foolish. But he was in the very worst fight-shape of his entire career: soft, slow, fat, completely out of shape (he went up two weight divisions in a short time period) and to top it off Mayweather was way above the agreed catch weight at the weigh-in and also way heavier and way more defined and better built than Marquez, on fight night. All the advantages were for Floyd on that one, but Marquez was a total idiot and accepted the fight under such uneven circumstances, so he totally deserved that embarrassing loss.

Bottom line, the Mayweather fight was THE ONLY CLEAR LOSS in Marquez's whole career. All his other losses have been under controversial decisions. He is right to complain about such biased decision, which his haters --anti-Mexican bigots in their majority-- claim to be "whining".

You're putting a lot of emphasis on tiny compubox margins, while totally neglecting KDs and round by round breakdown. Clueless

[techliam]

My God i just HAD TO reply to such an idiotic comment.

Marquez vs. Chris John

That so-called "loss" was a very controversial decision, which many experts even called a robbery against Marquez. Two one-point deductions for low blows that were utterly exaggerated (referee benefited John) and a wide decision for the local, in a very close fight where according to many experts JMM is the one who threw the more significant punches. I tried to find the fight stats from that bout to exhaustion, but I just couldn't find them anywhere. There's a reason for that I'm sure, which has to be related to Indonesian boxing ruling associations not wanting such stats to be published, because I'm almost 100% sure they favor JMM, probably even by a large margin. I wonder, how many other times has JMM ever been deducted points for throwing so-called "low blows"?

What experts? Can you please point these out. You say 'many' so i'm expecting a list otherwise you're making stuff up on the spot.

The only western journalist to attend the bout, Scott Mallon of Ring Magazine and The Sweet Science, scored the bout in favor of John.

Borneo, Indonesia – Unbeaten Chris “Dragon” John (38-0, 20 KOs), Semarang, Indonesia, successfully defended his WBA featherweight title for the fifth time when he scored a surprising, unanimous decision over former champion Juan Manuel Marquez in Borneo, Indonesia. Marquez (44-3-1, 33 KOs) had taken the fight for a purse of only $31,250 in an effort to snare the WBA title only to come up short on the score cards, 116-112, 116-110 and 117-111.

I had it 6-6 rounds each, the point deductions giving the fight to John

[v.cassiusali@ya]

the only way rios could get an upset is if he's as lucky as marquez!

[Fighting_Pride]

marquez is the one to talk. he couldn't defeat a young buck who can't even punch. bradley has above average quickness. other than that, the guy has nothing to offer