Comments Thread For: Ouma Eyes Golovkin Rematch: I Will Knock Him Out!

[Weebler I]

Well, the same logic doesn't really apply whatsoever. Murray fought Martinez in his backyard of Argentina, Golovkins backyard would be Kazakhstan, just because he's popular now in the USA doesn't mean you can automatically assume judges will be bias towards him.

That wasn't my assumption, and I'm not sure it goes 12 anyway. It's just that all fighters prefer not to travel if they don't have to and if you're asked to travel, generally you expect more money.

Murray would gain the benefit of huge HBO exposure and a massive viewer amount, more than he's ever had, even against Sergio.

The US audience doesn't care about Murray, and never will. Murray will probably get more name-recognition for his career out of fighting on Sky on the Froch card because it's more important that the British public know who he is. Right now they don't, which is why he has to travel to Argentina, Germany, Australia etc.

Secondly, Martinez was the biggest paying fight for Murray to date. Now lets consider that Martinez is the lineal champion and brings much, much more money to the table than Golovkin ever could of dreamed of at the time, how is it even fair to assume Murray should be compensated when he is a contender, with no championship belt and someone who really doesn't have much of a following whatsoever compared to others. It would make no logical sense, if GGG is being paid 300-400k, for Murray to be paid more than the champion, who fights constantly on main events, is a rising star and has huge ratings, that is just essentially asking for a large pay-check to receive a beating.

My point is how much was it? If K2 are offering him 300-400k where he can get that fighting Garth Wood, it doesn't make much business sense to fight Golovkin right now.

I wasn't suggesting Murray should be paid more than Golovkin, both fighters should be paid more. It's arguably the two best in the division. Matthysse gets 800k fighting Garcia who got 1.8 million or something.

I understand your point anyway, essentially what I'm saying is how can he pass on a career high pay day, to now be facing no doubt some bum in Manchester for pennies, when he could be fighting for a legitimate world title, with the chance of beating the most feared fighter in boxing at the moment, and possibly landing himself future events on HBO. I'm British, but honestly besides Macklin, the whole middleweight scene for us Brits wreaks of scrounging for pay days, avoiding the best and getting the title in the easiest, least prestigious way as possible. They've all extinguished their Sergio shot, and now they sc**** the barrel for the smoothest option, Barker has succeeded, but we all know he's going nowhere with it and is the weakest of the champions.

I can't agree, Murray, Macklin, Barker, Lee all travelled to fight Sturm, Martinez, Geale, Chavez and Macklin even fought Golovkin when he could've waited.

Barker is avoiding Golovkin, and so far it looks that way for Murray too but Macklin fought him, and Lee wants to fight him.

Edit: just noticed you said besides Golovkin.

[T18Z]

That wasn't my assumption, and I'm not sure it goes 12 anyway. It's just that all fighters prefer not to travel if they don't have to and if you're asked to travel, generally you expect more money.



The US audience doesn't care about Murray, and never will. Murray will probably get more name-recognition for his career out of fighting on Sky on the Froch card because it's more important that the British public know who he is. Right now they don't, which is why he has to travel to Argentina, Germany, Australia etc.



My point is how much was it? If K2 are offering him 300-400k where he can get that fighting Garth Wood, it doesn't make much business sense to fight Golovkin right now.

I wasn't suggesting Murray should be paid more than Golovkin, both fighters should be paid more. It's arguably the two best in the division. Matthysse gets 800k fighting Garcia who got 1.8 million or something.



I can't agree, Murray, Macklin, Barker, Lee all travelled to fight Sturm, Martinez, Geale, Chavez and Macklin even fought Golovkin when he could've waited.

Barker is avoiding Golovkin, and so far it looks that way for Murray too but Macklin fought him, and Lee wants to fight him.

Edit: just noticed you said besides Golovkin.

Well I agree paying both fighters more could help, but then it comes down to how much more is acceptable before reality should set in? It's as you say, Murray really has no following in the US, unless he does something dramatic, probably never will. It's probably very hard to justify increasing both fighters pay days, since Golovkin will then require more per fight afterwards, and you'll have bums doing what Stevens did and asking for the same or close to the same paycheck as Murray, and then it becomes a viscous cycle where HBO has to pay bums loads to fight GGG, meanwhile all the top fighters avoid him... and eventually when they do decide they want to fight, they could potentially ask for absurd amounts because HBO can be seen as giving in too easily.

It's just a slippery slope when you continue to pay fighters more than they're probably worth... I guess it's the price of being a fighter like GGG.

Edit: I remember now, Murray was offered 500k for the fight, seems like a pretty good pay day, the best he could possibly get in his career right now.

[Hougigo]

Up weebler... I dont trust that Australian money thing... No way was he getting 800k...or that fight being anywhere near worth that much

[dirty fingers]

I guess Ouma wasn't satisfied with the level of brain damage he received in the first fight. Golovkin would end him quicker, but I highly doubt that fight gets made. It's unnecessary.

[Weebler I]

Up weebler... I dont trust that Australian money thing... No way was he getting 800k...or that fight being anywhere near worth that much

Iirc the purse was 800k, I guess that would be split between them.

Regardless, in the longer term Murray doesn't have many options outside of Golovkin. If Barker loses to Geale or Sturm, they won't go near Murray. Martinez said he won't rematch Murray. Quillin is offering crap money. If he gets his Visa, I think they'll fight Golovkin next summer.

[Buckfever]

Definitely a fight that shouldn't happen.

[Hougigo]

Iirc the purse was 800k, I guess that would be split between them.

Regardless, in the longer term Murray doesn't have many options outside of Golovkin. If Barker loses to Geale or Sturm, they won't go near Murray. Martinez said he won't rematch Murray. Quillin is offering crap money. If he gets his Visa, I think they'll fight Golovkin next summer.

what does Iirc mean?
I mean, no way was 800k ever involved in this fight... like no way this fight was going to be worth that much. I don't people down there. Blowing people off and changing rounds in between fights... screw that.
I don't even know how they're ponying up the cash for Mosely now....maybe because they feel like they're losing more money not having it at all compared to having it later.
There's still Quillin, but that's if GBP step up and pay him more. If they want... they can finally have Quillin headline a card... and they would pursue a "unification" if Murray does win the regular belt and become a "champion".
Of course by then he'd be worth more than he would have been if they got a fight off in the first place...in other words... a significant amount more worth than Quillin is currently being paid.

[LAPete]

And yes, Golovkin is definitely the big thing as far as hype and publicity is concerned. HBO and his team have done a wonderful job in marketing him over the last year, and I can see the appeal myself.

"Hype" would be the correct term used if GGG couldn't back up HBO's and his teams claims. "Marketing and Promotion" would be a more fitting description of Golovkins brilliant talent and skill. There is a difference and there lies fact not personal opinion.

[US Dirk Killer]

And as soon as Golovkin loses to anyone.... he'll be "exposed" or a bum.
Gotta love NSB mentality

[antroid]

Just hyping himself, no need for this fight now unless Ouma manages to get up to the level after some time
There were things that kept Golovkin from being 100% ready for that bout. We have to guess reasons 'cause Genadiy doesn't want to disclose details just mentioned it in an interview...