is there anyway floyd could have beaten leonard?

[A-Wolf]

Ha ha ha no.

[Ham Porter]

And yes Ghost, Canelo, and Ortiz are all great fighters that people would call Floyd a DUCKER had he not faced them. I SURELY would have, and give him props for taking the challenge. He had to compromise his style in order to DOMIATE EACH without getting GRAZED.

Alvarez was the only fighter of those three that drew a great deal of interest, which owes more to how well marketed Canelo was rather than anything he had ever demonstrated as a fighter.



Nobody wanted to see him fight Ortiz, and no f^cker had any interest in seeing him fight Guerrero until rumours started emerging of a possible Alexander fight popped up, and the former fight then became the lesser of two evils.

[TEKGaming]

Floyd is a really great fighter, but if oscar pushed prime floyd to the ropes and had some moments, then no doubt a prime leonard would do the same and would be faster and more powerful than oscar,,,

Oscar was reported to have come in at over 165 lbs. Compubox had Floyd outlanding him by almost double. I don't consider 2007 to still be Prime Floyd. I think after coming back from retirement he has continued to improve skill-wise and ring knowledge-wise, but his PHYSICAL prime IMO ended after the Judah fight.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Oscar was reported to have come in at over 165 lbs. Compubox had Floyd outlanding him by almost double. I don't consider 2007 to still be Prime Floyd. I think after coming back from retirement he has continued to improve skill-wise and ring knowledge-wise, but his PHYSICAL prime IMO ended after the Judah fight.

thats fine about oscar's weight, im sure he did put 10lbs on after the weigh-ins,,

But floyd was still in his prime,,, he had just beaten zab and baldomir months before the oscar fight,,, i think now floyd has lost alot of his bounce and combination punching,,,,, Prime floyd for me, was him before the retirements,, now he seems not to have that explosive combos or movements like he used to,,,, if floyd that fought oscar had fought ghost, ghost would have looked like gatti, just getting hit with everything and floyd would have stopped him,, but age has slowly crept up on floyd and now he is not as explosive as he was vs oscar, baldomir, gatti etc

either way,,, a prime leonard beats a prime floyd in a close competitive fight,,,,

[TEKGaming]

So fighting unbeaten HOFer in his prime benitez was a cherrypick

or fighting duran twice was a cherrypick

or unbeaten prime hearns was a cherrypick

or unbeaten ayuble the jr mid champ was a cherrypick,,

or dethroning hagler after a 5 year layoff was a cherrypick...

Yes SRL had some cherrypicks here and there, but he also fought all the fights people wanted to see,, with floyd that is not the case,,,,

If SRL was like floyd, then SRL would have fought hearns for the 1st time in like 88 instead of 81,,

There is no way you can even compare floyd's cherrypicking with SRL's cherrypicking,,,
Every fighter takes some easy fights, but also fight to top guys,, floyd fights the easy fights but then waits till top guys become alittle faded and then fights them,,,,,
You can go thru his whole resume,, Floyd was great at 130 and that was about the only time he didnt cherrypick and took on nearly everyone, except for casamoyer and freitas,,,,,

Zab was coming off a loss
gatti was a huge cherrypick
shambra and bruscles,,, hahahahaha
baldomir was not a threat and had lineal title
hatton at 147, everyone knew hatton was garbage at 147
Ortiz and ghost were coming off career best victories,, they beat berto, that is the highlight of both careers,,,,,,,

SRL retired because of a detached retina caused by the hearns war,,,, FLoyd retired because why again???????????????????????? He was fresh out of cherrypicks,, He was in a situation were he was going to have to fight cotto, margs, shane, williams, but left till all those guys had beaten themselves up, then swooped in like a vulture and took care of old shane, old cotto, and never has-beens like canelo, ortiz, ghost,,

I know it may sound like im hating on floyd, but im just really telling the facts,,, Floyd is the biggest cherrypicker of all-time because he never has secured any big fights with other prime guys,,,, None of his wins would even crack SRL's top5 wins,,,,

By your logic I can say:

SRL made Duran go up in weight, and then purposely caught him in a well timed rematch. Even SRL admits this.

SRL waited for Hagler to get old, avoided him throughout prior (and that fight could've been scored either way, I personally had Hagler up on the scorecards).

Zab and Floyd already had plans to fight because its what the people wanted at the time, unfortunately Zab lost all his belts to Baldomir.

Gatti wasn't a cherry pick because Gatti was the WBC champion and Floyd was coming up in weight for that fight to go after that WBC belt of that weight class.

I could go on but you like to take things out of context.

[TEKGaming]

thats fine about oscar's weight, im sure he did put 10lbs on after the weigh-ins,,

But floyd was still in his prime,,, he had just beaten zab and baldomir months before the oscar fight,,, i think now floyd has lost alot of his bounce and combination punching,,,,, Prime floyd for me, was him before the retirements,, now he seems not to have that explosive combos or movements like he used to,,,, if floyd that fought oscar had fought ghost, ghost would have looked like gatti, just getting hit with everything and floyd would have stopped him,, but age has slowly crept up on floyd and now he is not as explosive as he was vs oscar, baldomir, gatti etc

either way,,, a prime leonard beats a prime floyd in a close competitive fight,,,,

No, Floyd looked slow and sluggish relative to his other fights in that DLH fight. It was his first time going up that high in weight and was forced to wear gloves a brand and size he's never fought at before against a guy who rehydrated back up to 165+.

Let's not squeeze facts. I'm not even a Floyd fan, just a boxing enthusiast who use to box as an amateur, but the lack of objectivity and accuracy in some of these posts in this thread is remarkable.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

By your logic I can say:

SRL made Duran go up in weight, and then purposely caught him in a well timed rematch. Even SRL admits this.
Duran was already at that weight the year before, much like mosely came up and fougth a few welters before oscar
SRL waited for Hagler to get old, avoided him throughout prior (and that fight could've been scored either way, I personally had Hagler up on the scorecards).
I agree that SRL waited hagler out, but hagler still was the champ and nobody had beaten him for the belt yet, plus SRL had a legit eye injury
Zab and Floyd already had plans to fight because its what the people wanted at the time, unfortunately Zab lost all his belts to Baldomir.
Thats fine, but lets not act like its a huge accomplishment to beat zab after tszyu, spinks and baldomir have
Gatti wasn't a cherry pick because Gatti was the WBC champion and Floyd was coming up in weight for that fight to go after that WBC belt of that weight class.floyd wasnt coming up in weight, he fought chop-chop for number #1 contender and then fought bruscles in a cherry pick, then fought gatti who was the weakest champ at the time,, hatton, cotto, tszyu were the others,, Gatti was a huge cherrypick,, did you think gatti stood any chance vs floyd,,, anyone that knows anything about boxing could tell you that floyd was going to beat the hell out of him

I could go on but you like to take things out of context.

I hope that clears it up for you,,, lots of inaccurate statements you have said,,,, Once again Floyd's best wins wouldnt crack SRL's top 5 wins,,,

[Sugar Adam Ali]

No, Floyd looked slow and sluggish relative to his other fights in that DLH fight. It was his first time going up that high in weight and was forced to wear gloves a brand and size he's never fought at before against a guy who rehydrated back up to 165+.

Let's not squeeze facts. I'm not even a Floyd fan, just a boxing enthusiast who use to box as an amateur, but the lack of objectivity and accuracy in some of these posts in this thread is remarkable.

I agree that floyd wasnt his best at 154 vs oscar,, he was still prime had he been at welter,, adding the weight and glove sizes did make floyd look sluggish, that is correct,, He looked like that because of those factors, not that he wasnt prime anymore,,, Floyd was still prime just not fighting at his natural weight class,,,,,,, Had that been ghost at 147 instead of oscar, floyd would have massacred him ghost and stopped him in about 8 or 9 rounds, instead of just winning a lopsided decision

[TEKGaming]

I hope that clears it up for you,,, lots of inaccurate statements you have said,,,, Once again Floyd's best wins wouldnt crack SRL's top 5 wins,,,

I'm not hyping up the win over Zab, I merely argued it because you complained about the Zab fight. And anyone who knows boxing knows Zab was in **** shape for that Baldomir fight. By the time he fought Floyd, he was in one of the best shapes he's ever been in of those recent years.

I don't consider Floyd at 2007 prime, and it's more than just the points you said. I look at the Hatton fight which came after and notice a slowing down of certain direction-changing movements that were far quicker in earlier fights. I consider his physical prime to have ended after the Zab fight, but he has continued to improve with each year that passed by in terms of ring-knowledge and boxing wisdom. A Floyd today with 2006-Floyd's physicality, would be ridiculous, or take Floyd's brain today and put it in his head back when he was fighting pre-2007.

Anyway, I find it funny that people cite fights like DLH where DLH was outboxed in nearly double the connect, while weighing upwards 15+ lbs and every variable in the contract going in his favor.

And it doesn't matter, Duran was still a lightweight who just recently moved up to Welter at the first fight. My point is, you're maximizing credit to fit what's convenient for your argument, but minimizing credit where it fits as well. Your inability to maintain an completely objective stance is what ruins your arguments' credibility.

If you stretch things in your favor for SRL, but squeeze things the other direction when it comes to Floyd. "SRL had an eye injury", which I understand, but my entire point here has been to show you how biased you are because you can't do the same for all fighters, including Floyd.

[Ham Porter]

Duran hadn't fought as a lightweight for two and a half years by the time of the Leonard fight. He'd fought well over a dozen times at 140 before he even had his last fight at lightweight, and had just whitewashed Carlos Palomino the year previous.



This notion that he was "still a lightweight" is wrong.