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  • Originally posted by MurkaMan View Post
    You mean how SRL ducked and dodged, and cherrypicked his way through boxing? Every top fighter SRL fought, he cherrypicked at the right time. MUCH worse than Floyd. I think Floyd is so good that anyone he fights people say its a cherrypick. SRL is not really a beast the way you all portrait him and I just cant see Floyd ducking a fighter of that calbier. He would probably look at that as a tailor made fight tbh. Then after the fight he gets no credit.
    He didn't cherry pick Hearns or Duran in the first match. He did however choose to rematch Duran because he knew how Duran would blow up in between fights. Also chose to fight hagler when he realized HAgler was slowing down.

    That being said He fought Hearns and Duran when they are at their peak.

    Anyway you put it..having wins over Hagler, Duran, Leonad on your record is mighty impressive. Sure sounds better than DLH, Cotto, Hatton

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    • Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Post
      You keep saying that floyd would turn it into a chess match, and is much smarter,,, but leonard is the one that has been all styles and numerous in their prime ATGs

      If floyd can turn any fight into a chess match, then why did he struggle with JLC, and an old faded oscar and cotto, gave floyd all he could handle,,, anytime floyd has stepped up to elite competition he has never dominated clearly,,,
      whitewashing canelo and ghost is very impressive,, they are good fighters but not exactly elite guys,,, JMM was just way too small and an easy style for floyd to beat, your not going to outbox and out counter floyd if your slow-footed and smaller and slower and less-powerful,,,

      Floyd is a really great fighter, but if oscar pushed prime floyd to the ropes and had some moments, then no doubt a prime leonard would do the same and would be faster and more powerful than oscar,,,

      Floyd just doesnt match up well vs SRL in any category,, you can say he is more skilled and smarter, but thats not really the case,,, floyd fights good fighters but non are threatening an non have been on the level of a duran, benitez, hearns, hagler, or even ayuble,,,, Floyd does masterpieces vs limited guys,,, gatti, baldomir, canelo, ghost, corrales,, but he never pitches a shut out vs an oscar, cotto, hatton, JLC ,,, Everytime floyd fights a top level guy it is competitve,, yes floyd wins but lets not act like he turns every fight into a chess match and wins 120-108 or 119-109 everytime,,, plus no one on his resume is even good enough to be in SRL's top 5 wins,, SRL beat benitez who was a defensive wizard like floyd, and ayuble who was also very good defender,, SRL could solve a defensive whiz, who has floyd ever beaten or fought that comes close to a prime SRL in terms of athletic ability and overall skillset, and will to win,,,,, Zab and corley and augustus all tagged floyd,, Im sure SRL would be able to tag him as well, and SRL is about a million times better than all those guys,,,,,
      The only reason that fight was close was due to Floyd's bad shoulder. Floyd didn't complain or make excuses....he just gave him a rematch and dominated Castillo accordingly.

      LOL @ thinking Oscar vs Floyd was close at all.

      FWIW Floyd vs Cotto was that close as well.

      I really don't see all these close fights Floyd has when he steps up.

      In fact, outside of the first Castillo fight, Floyd hasn't been in a close fight at all.

      Also, you are a fool is you think Benetiz is any where near the defensive fighter Floyd is. Floyd has never seen a fighter like Leonard, but SRL has never seen a fighter like Floyd. Your point is?
      Last edited by Khalid X; 10-31-2013, 01:09 PM.

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      • Originally posted by Brother Khalid View Post
        I really don't like your disrespect of Duran in that last post (calling his a quitter and a disgrace to boxing is hands down one of the worst comments I have seen on this site).

        With that said, SRL did cherry pick a lot of his fights and dodge fighters as well. People bash Floyd for something Leonard was notorious for.
        So fighting unbeaten HOFer in his prime benitez was a cherrypick

        or fighting duran twice was a cherrypick

        or unbeaten prime hearns was a cherrypick

        or unbeaten ayuble the jr mid champ was a cherrypick,,

        or dethroning hagler after a 5 year layoff was a cherrypick...

        Yes SRL had some cherrypicks here and there, but he also fought all the fights people wanted to see,, with floyd that is not the case,,,,

        If SRL was like floyd, then SRL would have fought hearns for the 1st time in like 88 instead of 81,,

        There is no way you can even compare floyd's cherrypicking with SRL's cherrypicking,,,
        Every fighter takes some easy fights, but also fight to top guys,, floyd fights the easy fights but then waits till top guys become alittle faded and then fights them,,,,,
        You can go thru his whole resume,, Floyd was great at 130 and that was about the only time he didnt cherrypick and took on nearly everyone, except for casamoyer and freitas,,,,,

        Zab was coming off a loss
        gatti was a huge cherrypick
        shambra and bruscles,,, hahahahaha
        baldomir was not a threat and had lineal title
        hatton at 147, everyone knew hatton was garbage at 147
        Ortiz and ghost were coming off career best victories,, they beat berto, that is the highlight of both careers,,,,,,,

        SRL retired because of a detached retina caused by the hearns war,,,, FLoyd retired because why again???????????????????????? He was fresh out of cherrypicks,, He was in a situation were he was going to have to fight cotto, margs, shane, williams, but left till all those guys had beaten themselves up, then swooped in like a vulture and took care of old shane, old cotto, and never has-beens like canelo, ortiz, ghost,,

        I know it may sound like im hating on floyd, but im just really telling the facts,,, Floyd is the biggest cherrypicker of all-time because he never has secured any big fights with other prime guys,,,, None of his wins would even crack SRL's top5 wins,,,,

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        • Originally posted by -Ronin- View Post
          He didn't cherry pick Hearns or Duran in the first match. He did however choose to rematch Duran because he knew how Duran would blow up in between fights. Also chose to fight hagler when he realized HAgler was slowing down.

          That being said He fought Hearns and Duran when they are at their peak.

          Anyway you put it..having wins over Hagler, Duran, Leonad on your record is mighty impressive. Sure sounds better than DLH, Cotto, Hatton
          He cherrypicked EVERYONE. Duran was a lightweight that SRL fought because he knew he was too big for. He was the favorite to win, but was mentally weak and end up losing. I actually think losing to Duran hurt SRL's legacy, considering the way he cherrypicked him tbh.

          I actually dont think Cotto, Oscar, and Hatton are Floyd's best wins. Everyone he fought since returning are his best wins. Excluding Cotto because he was damaged goods. Ortiz, JMM, Ghost, Canelo, and Mosley. All great fighters with completely different styles. Floyd had to completely change his fighting style in order to dominate each without getting GRAZED, which is legendary to me.

          If Floyd fought Pac, and refused to fight Ortiz, Mosley, Ghost, and JMM, I personally would be the FIRST to call him a superduck! Im VERY much impressed with how much Floyd has improved his resume since returning! And DOMINATED each without getting grazed! If SRL fought some of them, he would have probably stopped some of them but had all out brawls and wars, and ran around the ring. Floyd makes them look like clowns!!

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          • had jlc get in his ass, but he'd beat leonard. cause floyd da bes yo.

            G E T F U C K O U T T A H E R E

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            • Originally posted by TyrantT316 View Post
              Yeah, that's the only reason Canelo lost right?
              Youre comparing Leonard to Nelo?

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              • Originally posted by AntonTheMeh View Post
                had jlc get in his ass, but he'd beat leonard. cause floyd da bes yo.

                G E T F U C K O U T T A H E R E
                SRL was washed up at the age of 30 because he lacked dedication. He only started fighting at the age of 16. He wasnt born to box, he just started doing it later on in life and ended up being good at it. Floyd will NEVER stop dedicating himself because he was born for this. He was running 4 to 5 miles at the age of SEVEN!! Came out the puzzy wearing boxing gloves, brought up in a boxing family! I hate to talk bad about SRL but when people overrate him I just have to talk real. Floyd would beat that dude azz very badly! And look at Floyd today. This dude is getting BETTER, and BETTER, like when will it end? He's gonna be dominating at 40 I think.

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                • Originally posted by Brother Khalid View Post
                  The only reason that fight was close was due to Floyd's bad shoulder. Floyd didn't complain or make excuses....he just gave him a rematch and dominated Castillo accordingly.

                  LOL @ thinking Oscar vs Floyd was close at all.

                  FWIW Floyd vs Cotto was that close as well.

                  I really don't see all these close fights Floyd has when he steps up.

                  In fact, outside of the first Castillo fight, Floyd hasn't been in a close fight at all.

                  Also, you are a fool is you think Benetiz is any where near the defensive fighter Floyd is. Floyd has never seen a fighter like Leonard, but SRL has never seen a fighter like Floyd. Your point is?
                  Oscar and cotto was close fights,,, they werent masterpieces like canelo or gatti or corrales was,,,

                  and yes floyd did the right thing by rematching JLC and he clearly beat him in the rematch,,,,

                  your wrong when you say that benitez wasnt a great defensive fighter like floyd,, He was considered a defensive prodigy and won a world title at 17,, the dude was an incredible fighter,,, Watch him vs SRL or hearns or duran,,, Benitez was one of the best defenders ever in the history of boxing,,,
                  Floyd has never fought anyone that was great in their prime, so we really have no idea how he would perform with another ATG like SRL,, we do know that SRL would perform at the highest levels

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                  • Originally posted by MurkaMan View Post
                    Floyd dont have to do those things to prove that he's better than Duran. Anyone who knows boxing can look at these fighters side by side, and see its like night and day. And Duran lost everytime he stepped up to an elite fighter. Dude was a MAJOR quitter and disgrace to boxing.
                    You need to change your name to Murkaboy cause by your analysis I can see you can't be no more than 12 years old. It's shame that idiots like you think Boxing was invented just recently

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                    • Originally posted by MurkaMan View Post
                      SRL was washed up at the age of 30 because he lacked dedication. He only started fighting at the age of 16. He wasnt born to box, he just started doing it later on in life and ended up being good at it. Floyd will NEVER stop dedicating himself because he was born for this. He was running 4 to 5 miles at the age of SEVEN!! Came out the puzzy wearing boxing gloves, brought up in a boxing family! I hate to talk bad about SRL but when people overrate him I just have to talk real. Floyd would beat that dude azz very badly! And look at Floyd today. This dude is getting BETTER, and BETTER, like when will it end? He's gonna be dominating at 40 I think.
                      Trust me Murka Boy if Leonard used HGH as Floyd does he would still been competitive at 36

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