Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: I'm Fine With Random Testing, It's Good For Boxing

[Marvellous1]

I don't automatically assume Pac is doing random testing because of the JMM fight and he never accused JMM or Rios of being on PED's. There has been pressure for years for Pac to do testing and his progression to acceptance in 2 stages shows his evolvement into this. Anyone drawing one conclusion without knowing what goes on inside of Pac is clearly a hater. He could have easily decided that more and more fighters and champs are doing testing and it is time to get on the bandwagon. Or that he was preparing the possibility of a Floyd fight by doing random testing in advance of that. Maybe he thought JMM was on something but he did NOT accuse publicly and humiliate a fighter by accusations.

No. Pacquiao has more class than to rant about Marquez. But this is why I ask the question. When has Pacquiao talked about testing for the good of boxing? It's always been about one fight....... until now. I find it too coincidental that this was not his public view until Marquez humiliated him. Twice his team has made implications about his opponents (Mosley and Marquez), the good of boxing wasn't an issue then. Only now it matters enough for him to initiate?

[richardt]

A) he could be doing testing now because of peer pressure
B) he could be doing testing because he thinks JMM was on PED's
C) he could be doing testing because more and more champs are doing testing
D) he could be doing testing because he decided to accept that if needles made him feel weak, it is better to accept that and move forward with testing
E) he could be doing testing now and wanted to for at least 2 years but took the accusations and demands of Floyd in a personal way
F) he had an epiphany, an awakening, a change of heart for one or more reasons.
G) G) any number of other, unknown reasons
ANY OF THESE ARE POSSIBLE! But haters without any facts will latch on to the one that suit their agenda without knowing what is going through Pac's mind or in his heart. I'm not going to speculate to the point of insistence on what was going on in Pac heart and in his mind and it takes a special kind of ******ity for someone to think they know exactly what motivated him. If someone here tried to take Pac to court to prove exactly which of these motivated Pac, they would be thrown out and laughed at.

[richardt]

No. Pacquiao has more class than to rant about Marquez. But this is why I ask the question. When has Pacquiao talked about testing for the good of boxing? It's always been about one fight....... until now. I find it too coincidental that this was not his public view until Marquez humiliated him. Twice his team has made implications about his opponents (Mosley and Marquez), the good of boxing wasn't an issue then. Only now it matters enough for him to initiate?

I don't find anything too coincidental. Coincidental is speculation. See my last list.

[MindBat]

because u keep insisting that a cut off means he'll know exactly when he'll be tested. how so? if the cut off is 20 days or so before the fight u're telling me me he wont be tested at all up until the last 20 days? LOL

Why don't you pose that same question to the guys at USADA, VADA, WADA, and see what kind of look you get. They will laugh at you 'til you cry and pee your pants.

[Vasyl’s dad]

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Originally Posted by ADP02

It was for that one fight for starters and that doesn't always occur to get the fight on (eg. Chavez Jr vs Sergio Martinez).

Secondly, why bring it up then after like 4 years later? Again, it's just 1 of many roadblocks presented by Floyd.

Third point, why does only Manny need to join TMT not other opponents?

Fourth point, Manny didn't ever request that of Floyd, so why Floyd doing that crappy request?

5th point, if people like you accept every single roadblock then I know why this fight never got made. Floyd fans should have pressured as well!

the thing is that it was just one excuse of many but unfortunately people like you can't read into that ..... sad stuff!


MY POINT IS THIS - If that is what TMT offered Manny, he is a grown ass man as should be able to speak for himself and negotiate. Don't just say no or walk away, state what he will or will not accept. I find it strange that Bob Arum can make a statement and folks hold on to it like its coming from Christ himself and when someone else makes the same statement or offer it's insulting. Weather it was for one fight or many fights, Shane was requested to sever ties with his promotional company, one in which he had a financial stake in order to get the fight. So for another company to ask that of a fighter be it for one fight or many fights is no different. So if you're willing to accept it from Bob why cant you accept it from someone else.
This fight did not get made because Bob Arum/ Top Rank did not want it made. If Top Rank can sign a fighter and promise that fighter a World Title Fight in their 2nd pro fight and actually get that fight for the new signee, but can't negotiate a fight between what people consider to be the top 2 fighters in a weight class? Really!
When Manny's contract was up with TR, could he have not negotiated the fight with Floyd? Can Manny not speak for himself?
I have found in life when there is something I want and there is a "roadblock" of a person in my way feeding me BS or excuses, I find a way to take there excuses away and get the results I want. Yeah it might take a little more work but I see it as worth it if it gets me what I want.

Floyd doesn't even negotiate his own fights, but you want Manny to do it?

You guys get dumber with each post.



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[The Big Dunn]

Why else??? Because of peer pressure....because he wants to have a better setup for a potential Floyd fight.....many reasons but haters always look to the worse. There are many possibilities, THAT is my point and any of them could be the reason, not just the one the haters pick out. That is too predictable and expected from haters. NO ONE KNOWS what motivated Pac to progress in 2 stages and THAT IS THE POINT and hater speculation is not fact. NO ONE KNOWS, PERIOD! I could create a bulleted list and no one would know what motivated him without knowing what is in his heart.

so because its manny you give as much validity to tertiary reasons as you do the most most logical primary reason. then you justify this by claiming the most logical reason is the "worst" one. wow.

just because the logical reason makes manny look bad doesn't mean its the worst reason. you never have a problem choosing the most likely reason in any other scenario, especially when other fighters are involved.

[Vasyl’s dad]

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Originally Posted by CatchweightKing

always knew. just wasn't going be accused, slandered and bullied. Not sure how it is in your culture, but in the culture of men, their is a right way to approach something and a wrong way. Baseless accusations on a potential opponent is the wrong way. it's the womanly way.




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So basically, you're saying that Pacquiao always knew extra testing was good for boxing, but his pride was more important than boxing back then. Only now, actually participating in testing is good for boxing but it didn't matter so much between then and now. If he always knew, why didn't he care enough to actually do it? Or is it, as someone else pointed out, that it only matters after getting humiliated. Meaning it's really for the good of Pacquiao.

There wasn't a need to, especially considering the organization Floyd hired. why would Manny set himself up to be tested by the people Floyd brought in, after Floyd accused him with no basis?


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[Vasyl’s dad]

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There is no difference. Just odd that after fighting 39 times, you feel the need to implement extra testing against someone who is doing bigger and better things, because it's impossible for anyone to be better than Floyd Jr. and if they are, they just have to be cheating. just have to.

so take your pick, Floyd juiced anywhere between fights 1 and 39, or Manny makes him leave Hershey squirt trails.



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Or he was in no position to demand anything new from the sport yet. Take your pick.

No position? the family has been involved in boxing for decades. They know enough managers, promoters, directors etc to have gotten the ball rolling long ago.


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[richardt]

so because its manny you give as much validity to tertiary reasons as you do the most most logical primary reason. then you justify this by claiming the most logical reason is the "worst" one. wow.
just because the logical reason makes manny look bad doesn't mean its the worst reason. you never have a problem choosing the most likely reason in any other scenario, especially when other fighters are involved.

Read my list. I don't claim 100% that Pac is doing something because of a particular reason and someone would have to be one ****** *** to claim the know exactly what motivated him. "Logical reason"? Nothing to do with logical reason because both Logic and the heart are not always synonymous. Read my list from A-G two posts back.

[Vasyl’s dad]

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Originally Posted by ADP02

You Floyd fans are stuck with the year 2009 and even then, Manny did accept random testing but they (Floyd and Manny) couldn't agree with the cutoffs ..... but what you need to remember is that 4 years have passed now. Floyd continued to put roadblocks for 4 years!!!

Floyd fans are stuck in a time warp!

Asking for a cutoff to random testing means you dont agree to random testing.

Floyd fans aren't stuck in 2009-they just want you to acknowledge that manny stopped the fight from happening-which led to all this BS. Same as his taking money from GBP caused the TR/GBP fued which keeps us from seeing the fights we want to see the most.

When do you and the rest of his fans hold him accountable for his actions in this mess? Hopefully, you wll not support his next fight because of his hypocricy, the same reason you and others cited as why you were not supporting the floyd/canelo fight.

SOmehow, I'm sure you will forgive manny and not hold him accountable. He is after all just a poor peasant from the slums of Manilla.

what is the difference in a cut off date and knowing when tests are going to start?

Nothing, random testing is year round.


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