Providnikov vs Mattysse/Garcia

[joesaiditstrue]

Bradley fight brought him out of ESPN. This fight caused his stock to rise but Garcia and Lucas are the upper elites. Ruslan is more Peterson, zab/Pauie winner line. Good win no doubt and no problem with boxing adding another fighter but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

you don't break down fights solely based on "how good the fighters are"

styles make fights when the skill sets are similar

lucas and danny have better skills than ruslan but his style and his ability to carry out his style can off set his skill deficiency

Pacquiao isn't as skilled of a boxer as Marquez or Cotto, but he beat both of them

Ruslan/Matthysse is a 50-50 fight IMO

[DannYankee]

I disagree that Ruslan cuts the ring better than Matthysse, he's just more willing to do it from the start of the fight, whereas Lucas doesn't cut the ring until he's sold that he can take the other guys power or if he feels the other guy doesn't want to get tagged

Watch more Matthysse fights if you wanna comment about his ability to cut the ring, he's very good at it

I actually think Ruslan did a poor job of cutting the ring against Alvarado and Bradley, Alvarado's movement gave Ruslan fits tonight but Alvarado couldn't move for all 12 rounds, and he started gassing around the 5th round. I'm surprised Mike didn't realize a lot sooner than when he started his offense first, it froze Ruslan, similar to what happens to Matthysse when guys constantly throw first at him, he freezes and waits til they're done punching.

If Mike had moved more laterally in the center of the ring, and threw more combinations he would've had Ruslan guessing. He had a terrible game plan but he's not as good as what people here thought, but he's exactly what I thought he was, a very very basic boxer who will struggle against volume guys who have fast hands and fast feet (Rios has neither of these)

I've watched enough of Matthysse fights to have seen him chase around guys until he hurts them, his defense is mostly offense, and when he doesn't obliterate them or hurt them with his power all that happens is he chases them, that doesn't mean he is great at cutting off the ring, that means he has devastating power when he gets you.... do not confuse those two things. Just look at the Judah fight Judah was coming forward most the fight til he got hurt in the 10th and he would have put Judah to sleep if he would have been able to cut off better but Judah got on bicycle mode and survived with ease Matthysse just chased.

As good As Garcia lateral movement was it wasn't all that much from the beginning he just did it better than other guys Matthysse had seen. Bradley can still dance circles around Garcia in that department, and Provodnikov pressed the issue enough to force Bradley into a brawl (Yes i dont believe that i almost gave myself brain damage on purpose b/s Bradley says).

There all my points proven with fact no fanboyism here.

[joesaiditstrue]

I've watched enough of Matthysse fights to have seen him chase around guys until he hurts them, his defense is mostly offense, and when he doesn't obliterate them or hurt them with his power all that happens is he chases them, that doesn't mean he is great at cutting off the ring, that means he has devastating power when he gets you.... do not confuse those two things. Just look at the Judah fight Judah was coming forward most the fight til he got hurt in the 10th and he would have put Judah to sleep if he would have been able to cut off better but Judah got on bicycle mode and survived with ease Matthysse just chased.

As good As Garcia lateral movement was it wasn't all that much from the beginning he just did it better than other guys Matthysse had seen. Bradley can still dance circles around Garcia in that department, and Provodnikov pressed the issue enough to force Bradley into a brawl (Yes i dont believe that i almost gave myself brain damage on purpose b/s Bradley says).

There all my points proven with fact no fanboyism here.

his problem vs Judah wasn't his inability to cut the ring

he tried boxing Judah from the center of the ring for most of the fight, and by most people's accounts, he was successful at it

nowhere in that fight did he show an inability to cut the ring

you need to realize that cutting the ring off isn't a necessity in every fight if you have power, and Matthysse does occassionally chase a guy in straight lines but it's usually against guys with poor footwork

[bojangles1987]

I'd pick both to beat him, but both would be crazy fights. Danny has the skill and the spoiler tactics to neutralize Ruslan, and Lucas has the power (I think) to stop Ruslan in his tracks for once. That's why I'd pick them.

[joesaiditstrue]

I'd pick both to beat him, but both would be crazy fights. Danny has the skill and the spoiler tactics to neutralize Ruslan, and Lucas has the power (I think) to stop Ruslan in his tracks for once. That's why I'd pick them.

tonight's fight ultimately proved one thing, and that's how absolutely average/C-level Alvarado is

Ruslan is a faster version of margarito, that's all he is

but sometimes a fighter who can pull off that style as well as Ruslan does, doesn't need to add a lot of elements to their game, they can simply break a guys will

[Skip Bayless]

garcia and lucas both beat him

[SplitSecond]

i think ruslan stands a good chance against both

alot of factors for him vs garcia
but vs matthysse i'd pick matthysse to hurt him