I am rewatching all of Marquez' losses....

[The Big Dunn]

Every month he keeps forgetting Pac won that FOTD from the BWAA. He keeps saying it was some bogus WBO belt he fought JMM for, keeps getting corrected, same thing next month

No I don't. As I told you, I like poking fun at you and other manny fans on the JMM fight.

[T18Z]

lets not talk hypotheticals lets talk facts.

By your own post-57 had JMM winning. This is more than the 51 that had manny winning. Its more than the 36 that had the fight a draw.

You're hung up on the word most simply because it references manny losing and you are trying your best to minimize the loss as best you can.

Why are you so deathly afraid to admit more objective media thought JMM won than thought manny won or the fight was a draw?

Here, why don't you pick a word other than most if it makes you feel better.

Do you really want to be thought of like T18Z, straightleft, and modern talking ?

Hilarious, because I use logic in my opinion you suddenly think I have a bad reputation, or better yet, a reputation equal to yours? Do you know what people think of you on this forum? Your bias is so blatant it's unbelievable.

No I don't. As I told you, I like poking fun at you and other manny fans on the JMM fight.

So you deliberately post garbage, knowing it's garbage, to annoy posters, yet try and claim most of your posts aren't crap?

[The Big Dunn]

Because you deliberately use terminology which implies there is an overwhelming majority for Marquez, which is not true and never has been. I proved you wrong the last time you posted on this topic, how about you learn from it?

so you are mad because the words overwhelming majority make it look worse for Manny. ok.

well I used most in this thread. what is wrong with using that word?

You didn't even know the correct numbers for fight 2 or 3 in the previous thread, you are in no position to act as if you know the publics opinion on who should've won the fight.

true. I got #2 and #3 wrong. I admitted it, then went back and changed my inital point to reflect my being wrong.

what is wrong with that?

[HeroBando]

lets not talk hypotheticals lets talk facts.

By your own post-57 had JMM winning. This is more than the 51 that had manny winning. Its more than the 36 that had the fight a draw.

You're hung up on the word most simply because it references manny losing and you are trying your best to minimize the loss as best you can.

Why are you so deathly afraid to admit more objective media thought JMM won than thought manny won or the fight was a draw?

Here, why don't you pick a word other than most if it makes you feel better.

Do you really want to be thought of like T18Z, straightleft, and modern talking ?

I'm just showing you that you don't understand what "most" means. Not surprised, last time you confused majority for plurality when trying to teach me about these lol.

1. Most writers had it for Pac or draw.
2. Most writers had to for JMM or draw.

Both of these are true. But most had it for Marquez, not true based on these numbers. Not surprising, cause it would contradict 1, which is true.

[hectari]

Yeah, I've noticed that too, you prove him wrong, over and over, he ignores it and posts his same opinion in a different thread hoping we won't notice.

Big Dunn tries to block you out so he won't get embarrassed its call defense mechanism he continues to repeat the same BS and lies over and over and over.

It's why I don't bother replying to that clown anymore with his BS close minded brain. He tries to come off as if he is fair but dude is bias as hell.

[Luilun]

...and there is only one fight left that I have to rewatch and score (Chris John fight).
Here are the 3 losses I disagree with:

Freddie Norwood fight: in the whole fight not a lot happened, few punches were thrown and even fewer connected. But the bottom line is Marquez clearly won that fight because Norwood did nothing the whole fight. I scored it 8 rounds to 2 for Marquez with 2 rounds even. Norwood dropped Marquez once, Marquez dropped Norwood twice but only one knockdown was called by the ref.

3rd Pacquiao fight: clear win for Marquez in my opinion. The first 2 Pacquiao fights I did score for Pacquiao though.

Timothy Bradley fight: I had Marquez winning that fight very close. I have no problem with Bradley winning it closely either. But on my scorecard Marquez won the fight. If Bradley would have stayed active, he could have scored a wide decision, but he gave away the last 4 rounds on my scorecard.
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So - I have to rewatch the Chris John fight this week and then I can tell you if Marquez should have either only 3 or only 4 losses on his record (instead of 7).
[Pro debut: Marquez lost by DQ, there is no footage of it so I cannot comment on it.]

Right now I think Marquez got robbed quite a few times because he was the B side in almost all of those fights, furthermore he is a counterpuncher who very often lets the opponent lead. But the bottom line is he shouldn't have those 7 losses on his record, at least according to my opinion.

So that's 3 robberies, I have the same with addition to 2 more Pac fights for a total of 5

[The Big Dunn]

I'm just showing you that you don't understand what "most" means. Not surprised, last time you confused majority for plurality when trying to teach me about these lol.

1. Most writers had it for Pac or draw.
2. Most writers had to for JMM or draw.

Both of these are true. But most had it for Marquez, not true based on these numbers. Not surprising, cause it would contradict 1, which is true.

Fact is the objective media had 3 choices-A, B, and C. Of those choices, most of the media picked:

A- JMM won 57
B -Manny won 51
C-Draw-36

They are 3 seperate choices. A, B, and C. no a&c and B&c.

Again, you are trying to make it seem like judges have 2 choices-winning and losing. They don't. They have 3 choices winning, losing and draw. To make manny look better you are trying to count draws and winning together because it is the ONLY way that is achieved.

That you are so desperate to try and make manny look as good as possible is pathetic. If Manny wasn't involved in the fight you wouldn't be doing this.

[The Big Dunn]

Big Dunn tries to block you out so he won't get embarrassed its call defense mechanism he continues to repeat the same BS and lies over and over and over.

It's why I don't bother replying to that clown anymore with his BS close minded brain. He tries to come off as if he is fair but dude is bias as hell.

No you have me on ignore because I got at you for the black power ***** post.

[Ray*]

I score the JMM-Pac IIII to JMM by KO.

[HeroBando]

So that's 3 robberies, I have the same with addition to 2 more Pac fights for a total of 5

Dude you're cheapening the word "robbery". It's not a robbery if it's scored 50/50 by ringside experts. Cause robberies need near consensus, by definition. So much crying about bogus robberies, when a real robbery happens nobody will care, like the boy that cried wolf.