Can someone explain this to me

[The Tase]

Posters on here defy logic. I will use Marquez and Mosley as an example.

When Mayweather fought Mosley, Mosley was coming off of an impressive victory over Margarito. But people slate the victory saying that he's an old man and that his performance in later fights is proof of that.

The response to Mayweather's victory over Mosley would lead you to believe that it is important for Mayweather's opponents to have an impressive career after he schools them. However individuals' responses to Mayweather's victory over Marquez indicates that that isn't the case. It's easier for people to believe that Marquez significantly improved as a fighter at the age of 40, than it is for them to believe he was good when he stepped in the ring with Mayweather.

do you seriously think the marquez that floyd faced is the same as the marquez with memo that pacquiao faced in their 4th fight?

and the mosley fight, regardless of your pathetic excuse to hype floyd's win over mosley,

mosley was 38 years old and was inactive for 1 year and 6 months yet he almost knocked floyd's block off. Can you honestly say shane's beating of margairto was that impressive considering how awful margarito looked?

You claim double standards yet i bet you were slagging pacquiao's win over mosley where he knocked mosley down, floyd never did, and mosley landed more punches on floyd than on pacquiao yet pacquiao was criticized for his performance vs shane in comparison to floyd's performance vs shane.

[Warrios]

Robbed countless times eh? I didn't realize his record was 51-Infinity.

And at Floyd went life and death with DLH. Get lost, troll. Hopefully this account will disappear when Rios gets ripped apart.

hopefully this account will disappear - oh shut the fck up. if I'm trolling, wtf are u doing here?

ur 32, posting pictures of fat dudes.

[The Ninth Layer]

Time in a weight class doesn't really make you bigger~ Floyd is taller and longer thus better proportioned to carry the weight hence he is a bit bigger but it is not like Floyd dwarfed him although he was rangy enough for that to matter.

Time passed does make someone older though, older especially talking 36-40 is a bigger deal than the weight~

I actually can because look at the whole build-up to that fight, what did Floyd or anyone associated with Floyd say "it's a welterweight fight" they said that a bunch JMM knew what the deal was because he isn't a sap. JMM wanted to fight Floyd at his best because he is a stud, beating Floyd at less than his best would not have been as meaningful to JMM.

Still this was all a choice by JMM Floyd didn't force anything on him

Getting used to a weight class will absolutely affect your performance in that weight class. Why do you think Marquez fought a tune-up at 144 before he took on Manny in that third fight? It was to get used to the weight he was gaining in preparation for the Pacquiao fight.

If you're going to bring in reach and height then Marquez is taller than Bradley with longer arms too.

This was a welterweight fight fought at a catchweight, one that Floyd didn't even attempt to make. He weighed in two pounds over and essentially paid Marquez off to have the fight continue. There was no pretense of making this a fair fight on Floyd's end, so fans don't view it as a fair fight.

[DannYankee]

Floyd dominated Juan 12-0 in 2009 and most say "oh it was a cherry pick he gets 0 credit" Manny gets ko'd cold by Juan in 2012 and most say "its ok he just lost to another ATG"..Bradley beats Juan in 2013 and it is a great win? explain this please..Is Juan only not good at ww when it involves Floyd?

Eh you neglected to mention the reasons people completely **** on Floyds win over JMM lets be fair they have a point. And we both know Marquez has Manny's number ATG or not and Bradley fought the hyped hulked up version of Marquez without any catchweight or any of the bs so that's why he gets more credit even tho he shouldn't get full credit either as hulked up as Marquez is his reflexes are leaving him.

[The Gambler1981]

Getting used to a weight class will absolutely affect your performance in that weight class. Why do you think Marquez fought a tune-up at 144 before he took on Manny in that third fight? It was to get used to the weight he was gaining in preparation for the Pacquiao fight.

If you're going to bring in reach and height then Marquez is taller than Bradley with longer arms too.

This was a welterweight fight fought at a catchweight, one that Floyd didn't even attempt to make. He weighed in two pounds over and essentially paid Marquez off to have the fight continue. There was no pretense of making this a fair fight on Floyd's end, so fans don't view it as a fair fight.

Not really, it can help a bit but it is not really going to make a guy that was way too small legitimate, if you are small for a weight class no amount of time changes that. It is not that big of a deal, 4 years is a much bigger deal at JMM's age and mileage on his boxing odometer.

The ranginess played a part in why he looked better against Bradley than Floyd. Against Floyd he couldn't get set and was always out of range unless Floyd came in, Bradley moved him but he was still in range thus JMM touched him more he just couldn't catch him good.

JMM knew all that going in, his goal was to fight Floyd at his best not a watered down version because in his words he wanted to fihgt the best, if you want to fight the best you have to accept fighting them at their best. It was all his choice~. JMM just wasn't good enough and he is one hell of a fighter

[The Ninth Layer]

You keep talking about what JMM knew going in, okay that's fair enough. But as a fan I don't have to say it was some great win for Floyd to beat up on a guy coming up from lightweight, especially when he didn't even make the weight.

[The Gambler1981]

You keep talking about what JMM knew going in, okay that's fair enough. But as a fan I don't have to say it was some great win for Floyd to beat up on a guy coming up from lightweight, especially when he didn't even make the weight.

You can rate wins however you want.

I personally think it is a pretty good win, it isn't great because Floyd essentially did what he was suppose to do in that fight. It was still impressive doing a great fighter like that but it is like the old Chris Rock line "you don't get credit for doing what you are suppose to do" although in boxing all wins are good so you get some but that is a limiting factor.

[The Ninth Layer]

You can rate wins however you want.

I personally think it is a pretty good win, it isn't great because Floyd essentially did what he was suppose to do in that fight. It was still impressive doing a great fighter like that but it is like the old Chris Rock line "you don't get credit for doing what you are suppose to do" although in boxing all wins are good so you get some but that is a limiting factor.

You especially don't get credit for fighting a guy much smaller than you at a weight limit you didn't bother to make. But feel free to keep ignoring that (major) part of my argument!

[The Gambler1981]

You especially don't get credit for fighting a guy much smaller than you at a weight limit you didn't bother to make. But feel free to keep ignoring that (major) part of my argument!

Because I don't agree with what you are saying, JMM's goal was to fight the best. That was his stated goal, if your goal is to fight the best you fight them at their best which JMM did because he is a stud.

JMM wanted that specific fight, he called for it. The results speak for them self, he simply wasn't good enough.

[The Ninth Layer]

I give all the respect in the world to JMM for wanting to prove himself against the best. He didn't have to fight Bradley either.

I don't give Mayweather the same respect for fighting and beating JMM because he fought Marquez on an uneven playing field and then made it MORE uneven by ignoring their contracted catchweight.

What part of this don't you agree with?