Comments Thread For: Marquez: Only a Close Win Could Have Made Pacquiao 5

[T18Z]

Yes, I'm mad that posters like you get to create an alt name to hide after Manny and Nonito get destroyed and come on and post ***** like this.

I'm kind of mad that Bojangles just doesn't ether your b!tch a$$.

Just log on and be honest- Manny got KTFO and I want to see him avenge it because I am a big fan. STop with the controversy bull****.

Can mods somehow track IP addresses to prove I only have one account or something? I took a print screen of my bet on Rigo, I've public said Nonito is **** and I don't even like him as a fighter, as well as the fact Rigo schooled him, yet to continue to just ignore all this and claim something which isn't true.

I'm a fan of Pacquaio, I've never said different. Not really sure what you mean with the ether statement, I can assume it's happened to you numerous times?

[bojangles1987]

Well, what do we know about what already happened is exactly why it can be controversial. We saw the events that went on, and those events were controversial because they caused a public disagreement on many questions, now you linked to my examples of future questions, but you can quite easily apply those examples to the present/past i.e. would Marquez have won the fight if he didn't land that punch? Would he have knocked Pacquaio out regardless in a later round? Now I know what you could say to counter this, which is basically that if you have those kinds of thoughts you could call anything controversial, but I think I'm safe in saying controversy would apply to a large sample of disagreement, and the conditions would actually have to in someway agree with the logic of certain peoples disagreements, which throws Duns ****** example of his opinion on Hatton winning rounds, which is supported by absolutely nothing.

Using logic like that, any punch thrown is controversial, because what if it didn't land or what if it wasn't thrown or what if the other guy moved his head left or right or on and on and on. What exactly is the disagreement?

We're not talking Israel Vazquez having to stop because he can't breath through a broken nose. We're not talking Josesito Lopez landing a punch that breaks Victor Ortiz's jaw. We're not talking Joe Frazier's corner throwing in the towel before the last round of a fight where Muhammad Ali may have collapsed. We're not even talking Randall Bailey pulling a KO out of his ass after losing every round to Mike Jones.

We're talking one guy knocking the other out cold in a fight that was 4-1 or 3-2, where both fighters spent months saying they were going all out for the KO. That KO happened, and there was nothing controversial about it.

[Erik1984]

Did EVERYTIME he beat you? You had judges and they said he won but MOSSSSSST,,!!! Of the people though you won all of those times?

[DominiBox]

I can well imagine how the judges would be spoken to regarding this fight: "we need CJ here and Byrd also! Marquez can't win, we need a Pacquio win to set up a mayweather fight!

Same CJ Roth who gave 115-113 for Bradley against Pacquiao?

Some people don't even think before writting bs.

[El Malo.]

Trollquez is at it again

[The Big Dunn]

Can mods somehow track IP addresses to prove I only have one account or something? I took a print screen of my bet on Rigo, I've public said Nonito is **** and I don't even like him as a fighter, as well as the fact Rigo schooled him, yet to continue to just ignore all this and claim something which isn't true.

I'm a fan of Pacquaio, I've never said different. Not really sure what you mean with the ether statement, I can assume it's happened to you numerous times?

you created the account the day after nonito got wrecked-not a coincidence.

Just cut this kind of ***** out dude. Yes, manny may have been winning the round, but so what? He ended up losing the round and the fight. Period.

If this was any other fighter you wouldn't be pulling this kind of silly *****.

[DominiBox]

Marquez beat Manny in 2008, again in 2011, and then puts him to sleep in 2012. What else to people want him to do. The only thing left for Marquez to do is kill Pacquiao, he's just about covered all the bases at this point.

Pacquiao/Marquez II (2008) This is as close as a fight could be. Only Pac haters and ingnorants bring "robbery" to the table.

Unofficial Scorecards:
Greg Beecham, Associated Press: 114-113 Marquez
Joe Santoliquito, Ring Magazine: 115-112 Marquez
Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
Eric Raskin, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights: 115-112 Marquez
Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest: 114-113 Marquez
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports:115-112 Marquez
Victor Perea, *********.com: 115-113 Marquez
James Slater, ********Boxing.com: 114-113 Marquez
Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
Norm Frauenheim, Arizona Republic: 114-113 Marquez
Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV: 114-113 Marquez
Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters: 114-113 Marquez
Gabriel Montoya, DogHouseBoxing: 114-113 Marquez
Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com: 114-113 Marquez
Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-113 Marquez
Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com: 114-113 Marquez
Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
Bruce McTavish, International Judge: 115-112 Marquez
Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer: 114-113 Marquez
Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com: 114-113 Marquez
William Detloff, The Ring Magazine: 115-113 Marquez
Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com: 114-113 Marquez
Nonito Donaire: 114-113 Marquez
Graham Houston, FightWriter.com :115-112 Marquez
Andrew Walker, ********Boxing.com: 115-114 Marquez
Jeff Pryor, The Boxing Bulletin: 114-113 Marquez
Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin: 114-113 Marquez
Brian Gorman, RingTalk.com: 114-113 Marquez
Pedro Fernandez, RingTalk.com: 115-113 Marquez
Gary Purfield, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
Larry Merchant, HBO: 114-114 Draw
Beau Denison, The Fist: 114-114 Draw
Marco Antonio Barrera: Draw
Nate Campbell: Draw
Mark Lichtenfeld, Boxing Digest/ThroughTheRopes Radio Program, SportsByLineUSA: Draw
Bill Scherer, Suite101.com: 114-114 Draw
Brad Cooney, 8CountNews.com: 114-114 Draw
Doug Fischer, MaxBoxing.com: 114-114 Draw
Lee Payton, The Boxing Bulletin: 114-114 Draw
Harold Lederman, HBO: 115-112 Pacquiao
Eric Sloan, Washington, D.C. examiner.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Ken Pollitt, The13thRound.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Michael Nelson, The Boxing Bulletin: 114-113 Pacquiao
John Vaci, The Boxing Bulletin: 115-113 Pacquiao
Aaron Jones, *********.com: 115-112 Pacquiao
Pablo Fletes, LaPrensa: 114-113 Pacquiao
Dave Larzelere, The Sporting News: 114-113 Pacquiao
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 114-113 Pacquiao
Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Pacquiao
Undisputed, Round-By-Round Update Correspondent, DogHouseBoxing: 115-114 Pacquiao
Jeff Haney, Las Vegas Sun: 114-113 Pacquiao
Lee Groves, MaxBoxing.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Ryan Maquinana, MaxBoxing.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Franklin McNeil, Newark Star-Ledger: 114-113 Pacquiao
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 114-113 Pacquiao
Carlos Arias, Orange County Register: 114-113 Pacquiao
Frances Martel, RingTalk.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Jason Aniel, RingTalk.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Ryan ********, BoxingScene.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Michael Marley, ******************.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Steve Cofield, Lotus Broadcasting Las Vegas/ESPN Radio: 114-113 Pacquiao
Dave Cokin, Lotus Broadcasting Las Vegas/ESPN Radio: 115-112 Pacquiao
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-112 Pacquiao
Michael Katz, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Mike DeLisa, CyberBoxingZone.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-112 Pacquiao
**** Flaherty, Boxing Judge (the judge replaced by Tom Miller): 114-113 Pacquiao
Michael Swann, 15Rounds.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
Jim Murphy, TheSweetScience.com: 114-113 Pacquiao

[T18Z]

Using logic like that, any punch thrown is controversial, because what if it didn't land or what if it wasn't thrown or what if the other guy moved his head left or right or on and on and on. What exactly is the disagreement?

We're not talking Israel Vazquez having to stop because he can't breath through a broken nose. We're not talking Josesito Lopez landing a punch that breaks Victor Ortiz's jaw. We're not talking Joe Frazier's corner throwing in the towel before the last round of a fight where Muhammad Ali may have collapsed. We're not even talking Randall Bailey pulling a KO out of his ass after losing every round to Mike Jones.

We're talking one guy knocking the other out cold in a fight that was 4-1 or 3-2, where both fighters spent months saying they were going all out for the KO. That KO happened, and there was nothing controversial about it.

I'd say the disagreement or one of them is what if that punch didn't land, or Pacquaio didn't lunge forward, or didn't trip on Marquez foot, who would've won then? Again, I see your point, but the fight caused controversy and disagreements, and to cause controversy implies there was a controversial act where it came from, i.e. the fight, the punch, whatever. You can't deny there is a fair amount of disagreement in regards to that fight, so by definition why is that not controversial? The knockout alone wasn't controversial, it was all the events involved in the fight together which lead to a controversial outlook of the fight. We'll agree to disagree, regardless, my intent isn't to purposely lower the credibility of Marquez win.

you created the account the day after nonito got wrecked-not a coincidence.

Just cut this kind of ***** out dude. Yes, manny may have been winning the round, but so what? He ended up losing the round and the fight. Period.

If this was any other fighter you wouldn't be pulling this kind of silly *****.

If you could somehow see my original post history to the date of creation you'd see there was no praise or defense of Nonito, I don't even like him as a fighter, jesus man, you've got mental problems

It's not just about winning the round, it's the whole fight Dunn that I think lead to some controversy.

Shouldn't you be in a thread defending Floyd from attacks or something?

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

I'd say the disagreement or one of them is what if that punch didn't land, or Pacquaio didn't lunge forward, or didn't trip on Marquez foot, who would've won then? Again, I see your point, but the fight caused controversy and disagreements, and to cause controversy implies there was a controversial act where it came from, i.e. the fight, the punch, whatever. You can't deny there is a fair amount of disagreement in regards to that fight, so by definition why is that not controversial? The knockout alone wasn't controversial, it was all the events involved in the fight together which lead to a controversial outlook of the fight. We'll agree to disagree, regardless, my intent isn't to purposely low the credibility of Marquez win.



Yes, and if you could somehow see my original post history to the date of creation you'd see there was no praise or defense of Nonito, I don't even like him as a fighter, jesus man, you've got mental problems

It's not just about winning the round, it's the whole fight Dunn that I think lead to some controversy.

Shouldn't you be in a thread defending Floyd from attacks or something?

This is a very weak argument. If the controversy is being perpetrated by a specific group of people (pac fans) then it's does not indicate a legitimate disagreement about the fight.

There is not much controversial about a KO like that other than certain fans wont accept it.

[The Big Dunn]

I'd say the disagreement or one of them is what if that punch didn't land, or Pacquaio didn't lunge forward, or didn't trip on Marquez foot, who would've won then? Again, I see your point, but the fight caused controversy and disagreements, and to cause controversy implies there was a controversial act where it came from, i.e. the fight, the punch, whatever. You can't deny there is a fair amount of disagreement in regards to that fight, so by definition why is that not controversial? The knockout alone wasn't controversial, it was all the events involved in the fight together which lead to a controversial outlook of the fight. We'll agree to disagree, regardless, my intent isn't to purposely lower the credibility of Marquez win.


If you could somehow see my original post history to the date of creation you'd see there was no praise or defense of Nonito, I don't even like him as a fighter, jesus man, you've got mental problems

It's not just about winning the round, it's the whole fight Dunn that I think lead to some controversy.

Shouldn't you be in a thread defending Floyd from attacks or something?

I'd say the disagreement or one of them is what if that punch didn't land, or Pacquaio didn't lunge forward, or didn't trip on Marquez foot, who would've won then?

so the controversy is who would've won if Manny didn't get KTFO. I hera there is a new boxing site that will pay you to post. Please, go make a billion dollars.