Another Hauser Article about PED's

[Marvellous1]

did they use CIR testing 100% of the time for the mosley fight? ortiz fight??

Answering a question with a question. Not a sign of confidence. You said that USADA don't do it. But it was proved that they do. So have you changed your stance on that?

I don't know for certain if they do or don't. It's just that you made a pretty bold claim that was wrong and didn't acknowledge it. If strategically meant not all the time, I wanted to know why you think that..... seeing as you can't trust everything blurted on here.

[radioraheem]

lol the only reason i side with VADA is because VADA hasn't been pulling off shady **** in boxing.....oh no! it has to be because i side with lampley and because pac is now using it ...even though i was for VADA before pac started using it and even though i could care less about lampley...that must be it! lmao.....

You are biased as they come.

Was it not shady of VADA to keep silent about Petersons positive A sample until the last minute? For more than a month, Petersons camp and no one else knew he tested positive. Then the Commission and Golden Boy finds out at the last minutr he tested positive once the B sample came back.

Now see that was a huge mistake, but it was a mistake. I don't believe VADA took hush money from Peterson or any other conspiracy theories you tend to quickly believe.

[dynomyte1444]

Hauser is by far the best boxing writer today although he is unduly harsh on Mayweather.

I personally think there is a strong likelihood that either a large minority or a majority of all the top fighters today have doped at some point in their careers.

well his career is going down the drain writing articles with nothing to back it up except his own opinion

[Sugar Adam Ali]

IMO and its just my opinion, i have no facts, just my gut instinct,,

Doping in boxing has gone on for a longtime,, the penalties for getting caught are minimal compared to the $$$$ you can make while on PEDs..

Just look at peterson,,, he doped and beat khan, then got caught doping in rematch, then got ko'd by lucas, and he is still the IBF champ, and will still probably land some meaningful fights...

IMO, i think manny started juicing for the oscar fight, then continued till floyd called him out on it, manny probably stopped around the time of the 3rd jmm fight, and bradley fight, hence why he wasnt throwing his usual 1000s punches... I think he got back on the roids for jmm 4, but jmm also used for that fight to counter manny, i think jmm will be off of them for the bradley fight....

Just my opinion, i could be wrong,,, but i think alot of top level fighters use at some stage of career, to either enhance stamina, cut weight, etc.. Just too much money involved and little to no penalties

[Bermuda]

Answering a question with a question. Not a sign of confidence. You said that USADA don't do it. But it was proved that they do. So have you changed your stance on that?

I don't know for certain if they do or don't. It's just that you made a pretty bold claim that was wrong and didn't acknowledge it. If strategically meant not all the time, I wanted to know why you think that..... seeing as you can't trust everything blurted on here.

they say they use it strategically. do they use CIR testing 100% for every fight they are involved in? again they say they use it strategically...not "all the time" or "100% of the time" but "strategically"..

they may have used CIR testing 100% of the time for mayweather vs cotto...but not for mayweather vs ortiz or mayweather vs guerrero, etc..or malignaggi vs broner...

at least with VADA they state clearly that they use CIR testing all the time..

[Humean]

Its like a PHD candidate whose research supports the best interests of the company bankrolling the think tank s/he writes for. Thats the reason they are employed.

Unfortunately, the standards for blogs are not the same as newspapers. I think we can agree on that.

I disagree with the first part, as I already said that with this line of thinking you could discredit just about anyone. In your example it may well be reason to doubt the research but the proof lies within the actual research with the reasoning and evidence not with the sources of funding. To discredit it that way is to engage in a logical fallacy, a form of Ad hominem.

I do agree that the standards of blogs compared to newspapers are a lot lower but Hauser's writing really is of a high quality as far as im concerned and minus length could easily be in a high standard newspaper intact if there was actually a market for it these days. Indeed I don't think there is another current boxing writer who comes anywhere close to being as good as Hauser.

[Bermuda]

You are biased as they come.

Was it not shady of VADA to keep silent about Petersons positive A sample until the last minute? For more than a month, Petersons camp and no one else knew he tested positive. Then the Commission and Golden Boy finds out at the last minutr he tested positive once the B sample came back.

Now see that was a huge mistake, but it was a mistake. I don't believe VADA took hush money from Peterson or any other conspiracy theories you tend to quickly believe.

that's part of their agreement with the fighters...if their A sample tests positive then the fighter has the choice to not tell their promoters right away and instead have their B sample tested...peterson did this, had his b sample tested and it still came out positive...and when that happens VADA has no choice but to inform the promoters and commission..

[BattlingNelson]

Here you go, Paulie specifically talks about USADA testing him, and how it's a tedious procedure, kind of a pain.

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article14565.html

Thanks.

Well I re-read the Hauser artikel, and it was actually the Broner-DeMarco fight where neither got tested. Nevertheless its clear that the testing for Malinaggi was in place and in fairness, Hauser should have reported that.

[Humean]

well his career is going down the drain writing articles with nothing to back it up except his own opinion

Boxing writing isn't exactly his career, it is only one part of his career, he writes lot of books on other topics too, indeed he was once nominated for the Pulitzer.
He is backing up his opinion with a mixture of facts and supposed unverified (at least unverified for the reader) facts and drawing plausible inferences from them.

[soul_survivor]

There's a lot of Hauser hate here, especially amongst those who want some weird sex orgy with Floyd/Ellerbe/Haymon and GBP.

But let us put things into perspective, Nonito Donaire, one of the best fighters on the planet, extremely fast, extremely skilled and with serious one punch KO power rarely seen in the lower divisions since Naz has gone on record to do 24/7/365 testing. He is the only true p4p fighter to have done this.

Floyd Mayweather, almost a half decade ago, demanded that boxing have stricter PED testing, I for one, was all for him saying that. He wanted it and in him wanting (being the biggest star in the sport) it meant that boxing may just listen. But what has Floyd done but talk? Testing in the Ortiz fight was lax to say the least. He himself has a cloud of controversy surrounding positive results, and trust me, if Hauser was lible for defamation, Floyd and his team would have taken him to court. So there's something fishy there. BUT, if Floyd really wanted big bad OSDT, being the first boxer to speak in favour of it, why has he never submitted himself to the type of testing Nonito has? People claim there is some TR conspiracy surrounding PEDs...Nonito is a TR fighter.

If Floyd truly wants a cleaner sport, it would benefit the sport he claims to be the best at, if he underwent 24/7/365 testing, especially since he tried to impose something similar on his greatest rival. That's all that needs to be said on the matter.