Comments Thread For: “Fighting Words” — That’s (Not) Entertainment

[Weebler I]

I have to ask are you a slightly obsessed person?

You're the one who brought up Fury v Cunningham in a Wlad v Povetkin thread. Who is the obsessed one?

I guess you also didn't mean it when you said illegal was illegal and no one should get away with it, right? Therefor Fury gets a pass on a blatant foul because he most likely would have knocked him out anyways. I just have ask are you really reading what you are saying?

Where did I give him a pass? They could've ordered a rematch for all I care, Fury would have won again though imo.

Of course, we shouldn't get past the fact that my comment was made with reference to holding but then you can't complain about that now.

[violaandme]

to place any blame on povetkin is absurd he has to get close to Wlad to hit him Wlad was actually jumping in at Povetkin without throwing punches getting on his neck and staying there I guess you could argue that Povetkin could have fought harder to free himself but what happens then Wlad was bigger and stronger he would have clinched harder and Povetkin would have worn himself out quicker he must have been hoping for a warning or 2 and by the end he even quit trying to fight out of the clinches he was to worn out to do so Shnit fight shnit fighter shnitsnaps any one who sticks up for the garbage Pabon needs to be gone and Wlad needs to start fighting every 12 seconds clinch every 14 seconds a power punch and every 15 seconds he lands a punch 42seconds to land a power punch thats 3 1/2 clinches per power punch landed wow thats just not boxing

[LOWBLOW_CHAMP]

This is what I hate. People who dont know boxing. Every tactical boxer is NOT the same. Bhop, Mayweather, Ward, Rigo fight NOTHING alike. But when you write articles saying that they do, it brainwashers fans into treating them the same. Bhop spoils, and throws one punch at a time. Ward fights nothing like that.

Ward makes the crowd go wild in ALL of his fights. He's very aggressive, violent, throws combinations, commits, gets dirty, and looks to really batter the crap out of his opponents. But the fans are brain washed into labeling him a Bhop type of fighter.

Rigo ran and potshotted and threw one punch a round against Nonito. But it should be noted, that this was the FIRST time we seen THIS version of Rigo. ALL of his fights, he stands in the pocket and walks his man down. Nonito was too big, so he had to move.

The version of Mayweather that fought Ghost was BOOORRRIING. His offense was one dimensional throwing only right hands. His speed was unimpressive and limited him to getting away with throwing one or two shots a round. They BOOED that fight.

But what made Floyd famous was NOT his villian role. The version of Floyd who fought JMM was incredibly athletic, and has a Roy Jones appeal. The crowd LOVED that fight, and went "Ooohh and Aahh" everytime he did a fancy defensive move.

The Floyd who fought Ortiz walked his man down. But the Floyd who fought Canelo was a combination of BOTH these Mayweathers. He had the athleticism that he had in the JMM fight. But he also walked his man down and stood in the pocket for 12 rounds. He threw combinations and the crowd SCREAMED throughout the entire fight. That was THE greatest Mayweather performance.

When you write these articles all your doing is helping brainwash the fans further more. Every tactical fighter is not the same. Every version of Mayweather is not the same. Ward is the most exciting of them all. But fans try to put him in that box with Bhop just because he's tactical. I think you need to take a little time to learn about this boxing game.

And that Wlad fight was TERRIBLE!!

great post i agree with everything here

[BattlingNelson]

Daggum is now officially a celebrity. Lol.

[Ravens Fan]

You're the one who brought up Fury v Cunningham in a Wlad v Povetkin thread. Who is the obsessed one?
Where did I give him a pass? They could've ordered a rematch for all I care, Fury would have won again though imo.

Of course, we shouldn't get past the fact that my comment was made with reference to holding but then you can't complain about that now.

I mentioned Fury only because of the statement you made about Ali. What was it again, "if its illegal its illegal and no one should get away with it." I than mention Fury and you go off and watch the fight and count clinches when I was not even talking about clinches.

I also in no way shape or form would give Wlad a pass for the clinching. The problem was the ref did and you did give Fury a pass by saying the ridiculous statement that it was a minimal foul and he would have won anyway. It was not minimal it was a blatant foul but you are to biased towards the big buffoon to even see it.

You also give Fury pass by stating that in the end he gets the job done. Yeah, but against who? I will tell you who. Fighters that are old and outweighed by 50 pounds and have no power. Also ones that are fringe contenders that are fat and out of shape or a couple who are a notch above club fighter status that still manage to give Fury major problems.

My problem with Fury is that his trashing talking is on a world class level but his skills cannot back it up. And how do I know this? It is simple I have watched him fight. For some reason that seems to be a consistent problem with British heavyweights these days. And when Fury steps up he will be exposed and I suppose you will be right back on the forum making more excuses for the big buffoon.

[Weebler I]

I mentioned Fury only because of the statement you made about Ali. What was it again, "if its illegal its illegal and no one should get away with it." I than mention Fury and you go off and watch the fight and count clinches when I was not even talking about clinches.

The whole thread is about clinching.

I also in no way shape or form would give Wlad a pass for the clinching. The problem was the ref did and you did give Fury a pass by saying the ridiculous statement that it was a minimal foul and he would have won anyway. It was not minimal it was a blatant foul but you are to biased towards the big buffoon to even see it.

I said it was an "overt illegal act". How much more clearly do you want me to see it? I did say the KO was coming regardless because it was. Cunningham was spent.

You also give Fury pass by stating that in the end he gets the job done. Yeah, but against who? I will tell you who. Fighters that are old and outweighed by 50 pounds and have no power. Also ones that are fringe contenders that are fat and out of shape or a couple who are a notch above club fighter status that still manage to give Fury major problems.

My problem with Fury is that his trashing talking is on a world class level but his skills cannot back it up. And how do I know this? It is simple I have watched him fight. For some reason that seems to be a consistent problem with British heavyweights these days. And when Fury steps up he will be exposed and I suppose you will be right back on the forum making more excuses for the big buffoon.

Ah yes, the old NSB failsafe "exposed". Give over man. Fury's not an elite talent but he's a solid top 10 heavyweight that's entertaining to watch. Not everyone can be Lennox Lewis.

[Ravens Fan]

The whole thread is about clinching.

I said it was an "overt illegal act". How much more clearly do you want me to see it? I did say the KO was coming regardless because it was. Cunningham was spent.

Ah yes, the old NSB failsafe "exposed". Give over man. Fury's not an elite talent but he's a solid top 10 heavyweight that's entertaining to watch. Not everyone can be Lennox Lewis.

You did not specify clinching and you opened the door for me with such a broad "illegal is illegal" statement. You also kind of blew off Fury's overt foul by stating that the end was near so what difference should it make. Does that mean that I should give Wlad a pass for last Saturday because I am of the opinion that he would have won regardless of what he did? Or would it matter if Fury would have hit Cunningham with his stool because the end was near? What happened to illegal is illegal and no one should get away with it? Where do you draw the line, is it at one foul or two fouls, or does it depend on who is committing the illegal acts? I believe that you should just retract that statement because it is obvious that you really did not mean what you said.

As for Fury not being elite I have to ask one question. How can a fighter be ranked the number six heavyweight in the world by Ring magazine and not be considered elite? Sixth in the world means that there are plenty of so called experts who believe that there are only six heavyweights on the planet that are better than Tyson Fury and yet you don't think he is elite. Is that possible?

I happen to believe the two are synonymous with each other. Because if you are a top ten boxer in the world in my opinion you are an elite fighter. But honestly I agree with you because I also don't believe Tyson is elite and therefor he should not be in Ring's top ten. And the fact that he is tells me that he is overrated and he will be exposed as such when he fights Haye.

Because regardless of how I personally feel about Haye, one thing I do believe about him is that with his skills and speed along with his power and the way he moves. All that makes him a legit and elite top ten heavyweight. Who in my opinion will easily beat the overrated Tyson Fury.

[Weebler I]

As for Fury not being elite I have to ask one question. How can a fighter be ranked the number six heavyweight in the world by Ring magazine and not be considered elite? Sixth in the world means that there are plenty of so called experts who believe that there are only six heavyweights on the planet that are better than Tyson Fury and yet you don't think he is elite. Is that possible?

I happen to believe the two are synonymous with each other. Because if you are a top ten boxer in the world in my opinion you are an elite fighter. But honestly I agree with you because I also don't believe Tyson is elite and therefor he should not be in Ring's top ten. And the fact that he is tells me that he is overrated and he will be exposed as such when he fights Haye.

I take elite talent to mean your Pacquiaos and Mayweathers (hence my reference to Lewis). Top 3 PFP tend to comprise elite talents.

Fury is a top 10 heavyweight, whether he's really No.6 is up for debate but he's at very least 10th imo. Chisora belongs in the top 10 too imo. People can go on about it being a weak era etc, but that's irrelevant, you can only compete with what's in front of you.

Because regardless of how I personally feel about Haye, one thing I do believe about him is that with his skills and speed along with his power and the way he moves. All that makes him a legit and elite top ten heavyweight. Who in my opinion will easily beat the overrated Tyson Fury.

Froch gets this a lot too, i.e. all the criticism about him not being skilled etc. But the reality is, he wouldn't be winning without skill and I think the same is true of Fury.

I pick Haye to win, but only because he'll have the deck stacked in his favour. Smoger as ref and Haye wouldn't have a prayer imo, he'd get beaten up to the body.

[Ravens Fan]

I take elite talent to mean your Pacquiaos and Mayweathers (hence my reference to Lewis). Top 3 PFP tend to comprise elite talents.

Fury is a top 10 heavyweight, whether he's really No.6 is up for debate but he's at very least 10th imo. Chisora belongs in the top 10 too imo. People can go on about it being a weak era etc, but that's irrelevant, you can only compete with what's in front of you.

Froch gets this a lot too, i.e. all the criticism about him not being skilled etc. But the reality is, he wouldn't be winning without skill and I think the same is true of Fury.

I pick Haye to win, but only because he'll have the deck stacked in his favour. Smoger as ref and Haye wouldn't have a prayer imo, he'd get beaten up to the body.

Am I reading this right? You believe there are only three elite fighters in the world? I wonder where does that leave Marquez? After all he lost to one of your elites and knocked out one of the other ones. But you are free to your own opinion, I just believe it to be a pretty narrow view of elite.

As far as comparing Fury to Froch that is just as laughable as it is ridiculous. For what ever short comings Froch may have he has consistently showed that he has world class stamina along with a world class chin against world class, and in my opinion, elite fighters. And for the most part he has also been beating those opponents and sometimes he was even making it look easy.

While Fury has shown quite the opposite while struggling with much smaller and less than elite opponents. I bet if you took a poll a large majority of the forum would agree with me. That other than the fact that they both fight and happen to be British there is absolutely no comparison what so ever of Froch's career with that of Tyson Fury. That would be none, zilch, zero.

[Frank Ducketts]

This is what I hate. People who dont know boxing. Every tactical boxer is NOT the same. Bhop, Mayweather, Ward, Rigo fight NOTHING alike. But when you write articles saying that they do, it brainwashers fans into treating them the same. Bhop spoils, and throws one punch at a time. Ward fights nothing like that.

Ward makes the crowd go wild in ALL of his fights. He's very aggressive, violent, throws combinations, commits, gets dirty, and looks to really batter the crap out of his opponents. But the fans are brain washed into labeling him a Bhop type of fighter.

Rigo ran and potshotted and threw one punch a round against Nonito. But it should be noted, that this was the FIRST time we seen THIS version of Rigo. ALL of his fights, he stands in the pocket and walks his man down. Nonito was too big, so he had to move.

The version of Mayweather that fought Ghost was BOOORRRIING. His offense was one dimensional throwing only right hands. His speed was unimpressive and limited him to getting away with throwing one or two shots a round. They BOOED that fight.

But what made Floyd famous was NOT his villian role. The version of Floyd who fought JMM was incredibly athletic, and has a Roy Jones appeal. The crowd LOVED that fight, and went "Ooohh and Aahh" everytime he did a fancy defensive move.

The Floyd who fought Ortiz walked his man down. But the Floyd who fought Canelo was a combination of BOTH these Mayweathers. He had the athleticism that he had in the JMM fight. But he also walked his man down and stood in the pocket for 12 rounds. He threw combinations and the crowd SCREAMED throughout the entire fight. That was THE greatest Mayweather performance.

When you write these articles all your doing is helping brainwash the fans further more. Every tactical fighter is not the same. Every version of Mayweather is not the same. Ward is the most exciting of them all. But fans try to put him in that box with Bhop just because he's tactical. I think you need to take a little time to learn about this boxing game.

And that Wlad fight was TERRIBLE!!

I get your point, but Floyd Guerrero was not boring. He was fighting a southpaw, and even though he won the Guerrero fight...you have to remember, Judah and Corley gave Floyd fits from the southpaw style. Floyd was a lil more cautious in the Guerrero fight. He had to be. You have to always be cautious of southpaw fighters period.