Comments Thread For: Timothy Bradley: Marquez Is the Best Fighter I've Faced

[The Big Dunn]

I said "a majority did NOT have JMM winning". That's me dis*****g someone else's claim that a significant majority did. I was 100% right, and it's pathetic you're still hung up on this, and can't stop being wrong about it.

So if "when" matters, not only "who", for Morales, how can you rate JMM's MAB win much better than Pac's MAB 2, which most don't have top 10? Especially taking into account the manner of win (per Cliff).

thats not what you posted. no one is hung up on it-it just shows, like you were when you forgot JMM fought MAB, that you make statments without knowing what you are posting.

I never rated it better-I simply reminded you that JMM fought MAB you didn't even know they fought.

As for Morales, I had the same debate with cliff. Losing to zahir raheem indicates Morales was no longer the same fighter.

[bojangles1987]

I agree many beat tim, no question. But Tim can still feel JMM is better than Manny based on their series. fight 3 had a large majority of the same writers you reference picking JMM over Manny even though the judges gave it to manny.

right?

It wasn't a large majority, it was like 57-51 for Marquez or something. I've seen it posted enough to know I'm at least close.

The only person who scored the Pac fight for Bradley was Brian Kenny, who did the Top Rank telecast I believe.

[The Big Dunn]

oh 4 is the cutoff? 3 times not enough for Norton and Tarver, or 2 clear cut for Jones? It's not like Jones needed 4 chances to show his h2h superiority, it was there each time.

i didn't post that and there is no way you could possibly intepret it that way.

The writers (as a body) you cite as proof manny beat tim also think JMM is 3-0-1 with Manny. so I think its reasonable that JMM could be the best tim has fought.

[HeroBando]

thats not what you posted. no one is hung up on it-it just shows, like you were when you forgot JMM fought MAB, that you make statments without knowing what you are posting.

I never rated it better-I simply reminded you that JMM fought MAB you didn't even know they fought.

As for Morales, I had the same debate with cliff. Losing to zahir raheem indicates Morales was no longer the same fighter.

You just made up 2 strawmen for me. Please don't tell me what I thought. Show me some quotes, links. Like this JMM MAB thing, link me to my offending post.

[The Big Dunn]

It wasn't a large majority, it was like 57-51 for Marquez or something. I've seen it posted enough to know I'm at least close.

The only person who scored the Pac fight for Bradley was Brian Kenny, who did the Top Rank telecast I believe.

with 36 draws. heroBando was counting draws and manny wins together and making the argument the majority, which he listed as 87>51 or something like that, had JMM not winning. It was truly pathetic.

[The Big Dunn]

You just made up 2 strawmen for me. Please don't tell me what I thought. Show me some quotes, links. Like this JMM MAB thing, link me to my offending post.

dude stop it. you referenced the debate first and now you want me to lin to it. wow!!
Just admit it-when you made the statement you either forgot or didn't know JMM had defeated MAB.

At least 4 or 5 other posters called you on it.

[HeroBando]

i didn't post that and there is no way you could possibly intepret it that way.

The writers (as a body) you cite as proof manny beat tim also think JMM is 3-0-1 with Manny. so I think its reasonable that JMM could be the best tim has fought.

Where the fcuk do you get these "facts" from? Fight 1-3 were all pretty much 50/50 on press row. For example, for 3 a solid majority did not have JMM winning lol

And again, Jones' dominance of Barrera was much more pronounced.

[HeroBando]

dude stop it. you referenced the debate first and now you want me to lin to it. wow!!
Just admit it-when you made the statement you either forgot or didn't know JMM had defeated MAB.

At least 4 or 5 other posters called you on it.

I guess I was at least a step ahead lol. I said that JMM's 2nd best scalp might not be in Pac's top 10. Is it "scalp" that's confusing you? You think that just means "who", not "when"? For me, Mosley is not much of a "scalp" for Pac, nor is RJJ for Danny Green, nor is Toney for whoever was beating him up last.

And nobody could make a convincing argument that JMM's 2nd best win belongs in Pac's top 10. Cliff didn't fare too well, he ended up arguing manner of win counts, yet for him JMM's MAB > Pac's Hatton (somehow) >> Pac's MAB 2.

[The Big Dunn]

Where the fcuk do you get these "facts" from? Fight 1-3 were all pretty much 50/50 on press row. For example, for 3 a solid majority did not have JMM winning lol

And again, Jones' dominance of Barrera was much more pronounced.

ALmost or pretty much 50/50 is your childish way of trying to refute my post.

Anyway you cut it MORE writers thought JMM won fight 2 and MORE writers thought JMM won fight 3. We agree that the margin of difference was not as big in2 as it was 3. we also agree the margin in 2 was not huge-it was as bojangles posted probably about 5 0r 6

[aaron.king]

Timmy let his tounge slip a lil there saying Floyd and Pac are the two best fighters in the world. That's almost conceeding that he lost to Pac.

Yeah, Bradley can't give too much credit to Manny. Any minor general concession is too close to a concession of the fight itself (i.e. a concession that Manny is a superior fighter). At least that's what I imagine Timmy is thinking to himself.