Mayweather has consistently avoided the best available opposition (Great Article)

[VERSION1 (V1)]

So Marquez, a fighter that cause Pacquiao huge problems in the past, and Pacquiao chooses to fight him 4 times.

And this is taking the easy route for you.

Please

the point of the article is fthat floyd dont fight the best avaiable opposition and a case can be made for pac as well was shane or tony the best no what about the third morales fight again no i could go on and on.

and who on floyd resume could warrent 3 or 4 fights with him the only guy was that comes close was jlc and nodbody have ever saidhe that they need to fight a rubber match

[Fetta]

you would have a point on me if i was one of the people saying he should have fought margs and pwill instead of baldomir. i dont care that floyd grabbed some money and a lineal title from a guy with 9 losses. i do care that he also missed out on pwill and some other fights that would have definitively stamped his ATG ticket. if he had, this hauser article would never have been written.

His ATG ticket has been stamped. If you think otherwise then you truly dont know this sport

[The Big Dunn]

you would have a point on me if i was one of the people saying he should have fought margs and pwill instead of baldomir. i dont care that floyd grabbed some money and a lineal title from a guy with 9 losses. i do care that he also missed out on pwill and some other fights that would have definitively stamped his ATG ticket. if he had, this hauser article would never have been written.

i'm fine with that. just be real about why the fights didn't happen when assessing floyd. thats all. no more no less.

dont do what hauser did and lie about sergio at 150 for example. thats why his last article flopped. if he left the BS about floyd and ped out he wouldn't have overshadowed his valid points.

same thing here-Hauser knows why fights didn't happen. If you leave that stuff out and lie about other stuff people are going to focus on those admissions rather than the valid points.

[Triumph 916]

When Justin Bieber come out with a book about boxing, be sure to tell me about it

That lame @$$ reply went clear over my head...HA!!!...Lets give more credibility to writers & shake our heads in disappointment at the guys who actually laces them up...I would like to see where you dissect Pacs resume...mainly his history breaking title fight with Marg (HA), why the CW with Cotto, why the flat out ducks of Shane & Rahim & his last 8-10 opponents while applying the Floyd standards/logic to them!!

[The Gambler1981]

You need to read more. Take the time if you want to comment about the thread. I dont need you telling me what my arguments are.

It is a shitty thread why would I bother to take a ton of time on it and I read enough of it to see this is the same things I have heard for damn near 10 years. In 2004-2005 you might have a point when Floyd was on a weaker part of his career which still isn't even that bad compared to most fighters, but 2006 was better than 2005 and 2007 was better than 2006.

Yea you can criticize Floyd, you don't like some of his choices OK I think it is all explainable with reason and that only 1 guy he missed was truly important. Both guys should take heat for that situation though~

[D4thincarnation]

It is a shitty thread why would I bother to take a ton of time on it and I read enough of it to see this is the same things I have heard for damn near 10 years. In 2004-2005 you might have a point when Floyd was on a weaker part of his career which still isn't even that bad compared to most fighters, but 2006 was better than 2005 and 2007 was better than 2006.

Yea you can criticize Floyd, you don't like some of his choices OK I think it is all explainable with reason and that only 1 guy he missed was truly important. Both guys should take heat for that situation though~

Too many fighters, too many excuses.

And the point is it will effect his legacy, us talking about, again again again.... means it will not be something you can gloss over.

[The Gambler1981]

Too many fighters, too many excuses.

And the point is it will effect his legacy, us talking about, again again again.... means it will not be something you can gloss over.

Yea it will be because it is played out and has proved false, his legacy is sound and no amount of crying or pining over some decent guys he didn't fight will change that. The Manny stuff will hurt a bit but it will hurt both of them and Floyd has had a good enough career that you can't call him an enigma or what might have been because he proved to be better than many top guy.

You not being able to handle being proven wrong about him is your issue to come to grips with, not Floyd's or anyone else's.

[soul_survivor]

he was underdog against odh and ledbawa. he took the ledbawa fight as a substiitue on 2 weeks notice, any pro making **** money takes a campionship fight in that circumstance. he took the odh fight for the money. niether was noble or brave.

where are the floyd, zab, zahir raheem, pwill, or joan guzman fights?

WTF are you on about? manny was a huge underdog v Barrera too, and stop your *****ing, I don't care if he took the fight for money or legacy, he took those fights, heck he gave Marquez 3 rematches when he had already won to of those decisions.

AND your idol Floyd is the one who loves money yet he skipped out on 100 million dollars ? LOL come on man, go suck **** somewhere else, that **** dont fly with me.

Why would Manny fight Zab? Manny moved up to 147 when Zab moved back down to 140, Manny moved to 140 to fight Hatton, then the best guy at the weight.

He missed Raheem to fight Morales, I aint got any problems with that.

When Manny fought at 147, Williams was already at 154 and started to slip until eventually getting brutalised by Martinez.

You want manny to fight Guzman? LOL

And let's say I agree that Manny ducked those guys, he ended up fighting Cotto, Oscar, Clottey, Margarito, Hatton, Bradley and Marquez and Mosley.

Mosley was shot, so we can minus that. You can't call it a duck when Mnany skips out on a talented yet psychologically weak guy like Zab, a one trick poney in Raheem, a decent fighter in Guzman and a guy divisions above in Williams and ends up fighting the names I mentioned.

Floyd ducked Manny/Cotto/Margarito/Williams and fought Ortiz, Guerrero, shot Mosley, green Canelo who may never truly amount to anything and a version of Cotto who had been embarrassed by both Pacquiao and Marg.

I find it a bit weak that I keep schooling you. Maybe you should go back and put Floyds **** in your mouth.

[Marvellous1]

you would have a point on me if i was one of the people saying he should have fought margs and pwill instead of baldomir. i dont care that floyd grabbed some money and a lineal title from a guy with 9 losses. i do care that he also missed out on pwill and some other fights that would have definitively stamped his ATG ticket. if he had, this hauser article would never have been written.

I still maintain that if Mayweather had a couple of losses on his record, this article wouldn't have been written either. If so, you have to ask why one hasn't been written about Pacquiao when he's guilty of the same "manouvers". It's that need to detract from him in some way because there are no losses to do so. Baldomir was nothing more than a stepping stone to the prize that was Oscar De La Hoya. It should've been Judah but Judah f'd up.

I will say that the "he woulda beat him anyway" argument doesn't take the place of a fight. I wanted Mayweather to have those fights, but just don't agree that he systematically avoided them all. Hauser sure seems like he has an axe to grind though.

[soul_survivor]

Stop making up shot Floyd was never a 9-1 favorite; I was in Vegas for the fight the highest odds were 3-1 and most was 2-1. Canelo had the lowest odds of anybody Floyd has ever fought hell Manny was a 4-1 underdog when Vegas thought the fight was going to happen.

Are you ***in ******ed or just chatting ****, there were bookies in the UK who had it 9-1, the biggest Floyd arse lickers on the planet, Boxnation mentioned it too. You're telling me Canelo was more of a live underdog than Cotto? You must be mad.

And if that was the case then it's an obvious case of bookies in Vegas manipulating the odds, to make it seem like more of a test for Floyd, attracting larger audiences of fools to their casinos to watch a fight that casuals think will be competitive but people like me, who know boxing, said months back, would be a schooling.

So why is manny asking for testing now?

He's obviously changed his mind. Which is evidenced by the fact that he accepted the tests. Do you deny that Manny did that? Even Floyd accepted that Manny accepted drug testing, which is why he came up with his final demand, the madness which was, "40 mill, take it or leave it, ill take the remaining 60 + mill" LOL wtf?

I have no problem with Manny changing his mind, accepting that he was wrong in the first place. Floyd and his fans still **** on about "take the test" when they know that Manny accepted that years ago and that Floyd kept changing the goal posts.

The bottom line is this and there is noway anyone can deny it, Floyd has more "what ifs" in his career than Manny, that's fact. Floyd has a whole list of names he should have fought but didnt, it's not as if he missed those fights to fight better names, he just skipped them to fight Victor Ortiz, justify that?

Manny, some say skipped Raheem, I'll give them that but he ended up fighting Morales, Marquez (again), a big favourite in Oscar, Cotto, Margarito and Bradley. I know this is gona drive some of you mad but deal with it.