How long before Showtime surpasses HBO?

[Bushbaby]

Anyone who actually watches boxes pretty much knows Showtime has been outdoing hbo in quality fights for years, years. Now if you like hype, and whit and pizzaz, more than (in the ring) boxing then sure hbo is better with the out the rings going ons.

[King_]

Anyone who actually watches boxes pretty much knows Showtime has been outdoing hbo in quality fights for years, years. Now if you like hype, and whit and pizzaz, more than (in the ring) boxing then sure hbo is better with the out the rings going ons.

Wait, since HBO and Showtime pretty much swapped all of their executives/personnel, etc... within the past year or so.... Does that mean that what you're saying is the Opposite? If you like hype, whit and pizzaz, then showtime is better and if you like quality HBO is better?


not sure if serious?

[Bushbaby]

Wait, since HBO and Showtime pretty much swapped all of their executives/personnel, etc... within the past year or so.... Does that mean that what you're saying is the Opposite? If you like hype, whit and pizzaz, then showtime is better and if you like quality HBO is better?


not sure if serious?

Take whatever you want from it. Quite frankly I don't care. I have both and I'm telling you showtime has had better quality fights for as long as I can remember.

[King_]

Take whatever you want from it. Quite frankly I don't care. I have both and I'm telling you showtime has had better quality fights for as long as I can remember.

All I'm saying is those guys who were putting those quality fights on Showtime are currently now at HBO and those guys putting ****ty cherry picks on HBO are now at Showtime.


so there's no confusion, you know

[paulf]

Showtime's boxing programming was FAR SUPERIOR to HBO's before Hershman made the move. The Super Six? The Bantamweight Tournament? Meanwhile HBO was doing showcase fights for Andre Berto and Chavez Jr. C'mon man. Showtime was the savior of boxing programming in America. ****s done with now, though.

In terms of numbers, Showtime can not and will not do better numbers than HBO, simply because HBO has so many more subscribers than Showtimes.

Boxing is just part of the package; HBO has far superior original programming and their sports documentaries are second to none. We're talking apples and oranges here, really. Showtime can allocate all the resources to Boxing they want, but they aren't going to come near HBO.

[Larry the boss]

who gives a damn??? who really cares what channel a damn fight comes on?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

This stuff comes and goes between the 2...

remember when showtime landed tyson, chavez and tito in the 90s

or when they had great shobox fights, castillo-corrales, hatton-tsyzu, calzaghe in the mid 2000's

[rogdogx]

Fair enough but whats the point of the thread? things like saying the jw's or ww's of GBP or anybody promoted by golden boy are better then any of their top rank/hbo counterparts just because they're promoted by GBP is but a mere opinion.

you also start your OP by saying showtime has been putting up great matchups. HBO has also been putting up just as many great matchups this year.

Showtime does have great depth in those divisions. (HBO has great depth in MW/LHW, etc) Alvardo, Rios and Provodnikov being a tier under elite is your opinion. They have losses just like Soto-Karass, Berto, Robert Guererro, Lopez and ortiz have losses. Saying the latter is better is just your opinion. It seems you think fighters are better on showtime just because that's your favorite network/promoter etc. which is fine. But that doesn't mean anything in your post is true.

Saying "those stars" - GGG, Bradley, JMM Pac will only take you so far when compared to Floyd, broner and canelo is again just your opinion. Not even sure what that means tbh.

i guess your point is you think the guys on showtime are going to draw better ratings and make more money ( again just an opinion) but even if they do...... Canelo can sell 5 million tickets to his next fight. so can danny garcia. But that doesn't mean either of them are better then GGG or JMM, etc. ratings/draw means nothing in terms of absolute boxing skill/talent. If it did, JCC JR would be a P4P fighter.

Not sure why a boxing fan would even care about this business side of things.

HBO's depth at MW outside of Golovkin is largely on a fight by fight basis due to the talent mostly being tied to overseas promoters. The guys you compared Provo, Alvarado, & Rios to are also some of the guys on the second tier of GBP's talent roster but there are guys like Thurman, Alexander, & Lara who are better. I'll throw Top Rank a bone cuz they do have a legit guy in Crawford as well coming up. I believe GGG is the best middleweight in the world and in due time he will prove that. I also believe Andre Ward is the best SMW. Some of my favorite fighters are on HBO but it doesn't mean these guys are huge draws. Drawing power at the end of the day is what gets ratings which is what generates the most money. You even alluded to this yourself. So at the end of the day if GBP is putting together the fights that generate the most money & buzz then I am asking how long it takes before they surpass HBO? Bradley-JMM great fight, no undercard. Pacman-Rios decent fight, not sure about the undercard. Mayweather-Canelo had 2 solid undercard fights. Obviously as a boxing fan I want the promoter/network that is putting the most competitive cards & best quality product to become number 1. The network that entertains me most is who I want to be on top. I don't get how you just want me to "take what they give me" so to speak and not care about the business side of things when they clearly impact what is being shown on my television.

[rogdogx]

Showtime's boxing programming was FAR SUPERIOR to HBO's before Hershman made the move. The Super Six? The Bantamweight Tournament? Meanwhile HBO was doing showcase fights for Andre Berto and Chavez Jr. C'mon man. Showtime was the savior of boxing programming in America. ****s done with now, though.

In terms of numbers, Showtime can not and will not do better numbers than HBO, simply because HBO has so many more subscribers than Showtimes.

Boxing is just part of the package; HBO has far superior original programming and their sports documentaries are second to none. We're talking apples and oranges here, really. Showtime can allocate all the resources to Boxing they want, but they aren't going to come near HBO.

This is true no doubt. The big edge in original programming helps them have a competitive advantage. But if you have second tier boxing programming then that is putting the wrong message out there. If your the best you should be the best across the board. HBO really needs to step up its boxing game right now with solid cards top to bottom. Showtime's been doing it and they need to keep up.

[TheGoldenBoy]

It all comes down to the names IMO, because that's what the casuals tune in for.

Yeah, and most Mexicans and Americans don't want to tune to watch guys named Klitschko, Kovalev, Golovkin, Provodnikox, Shiming, Froch... fight.

Facts are facts.

HBO working with the wrong formula. They'll learn soon enough.

In the next year, they'll fire their head guy, and the new guy will welcome Golden Boy back.

Business is business.