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Originally posted by Tanzio
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First of all, I have always been a big Danny Garcia fan (I have always considered him underrated, and I picked him to KTFO Khan), and I am also a big fan of Lucas Matthysse. I have been adamantly calling for Danny to get his shot v FMJ, on more than one thread since his victory. I was happy for Team Garcia in victory, and felt that Matthysse put up a valiant effort that fell just short, thanks to Danny skills mixed in with the swing of fortune.
Then I went back and studied the fight. As a result I am calling for an immediate rematch. I hope that all reading this will go back and study the fight and decide for yourselves.
Originally, I had Danny winning by 114-113, on the strength of a two point 11th round as a result of the KD:
1. 10-9 Danny
2. 9-10 Lucas
3. 10-9 Danny
4. 10-9 Danny
5. 9-10 Lucas
6. 9-10 Lucas
7. 9-10 Lucas
8. 10-9 Danny
9. 10-9 Danny
10. 9-10 Lucas
11. 10-8 Danny
12. 9-10 Lucas
Total = 114-113 Garcia
After reviewng / studying the fight, I feel that it was a draw, because the 11th should have been 10-9 (not 10-8) Danny. I am not basing my call for a rematch on the fact that this was an extremely close fight, but rather on the following:
1. The referee was guilty of borderline criminal negligence for his failure to penalize Garcia earlier for his uncountable low blows. There should have been a point taken away no later than the 4th round, and Danny should possibly have been DQed for his actions, that most certainly effected his competitor's performance.
I am a big Mares fan, but I felt his actions in Agbeko I were terrible and obviously a conscious strategy. There was an uproar after that fight, and Mares faced deserved criticism.
Danny Garcia's performance was planned strategy that reached at least as bad a level as Mares' but in my opinion surpassed it. Team Garcia went in with the plan to hit Matthysse low and often, especially directly after being tagged. Danny consciously attacked Matthysse's lower hips, with special emphasis / focus on the lower right hip.
The referee is to blame and he should be penalized for his performance.
There were also several direct shots to the groin area. The only penalty dished out to Garcia was similar to NFL referees who allow holding by one team on every play, until the game is out of reach, in order to give a false sense of fairness.
The low blows were completely over the line, from the 2nd round on. There should be an immediate rematch for this reason alone.
2. The 11th round KD was completely illegitimate. It was the result of an obvious pull behind the head by Danny that spun Matthysse into the ropes and entangled him. The ref allowed Danny to continue punching while Matthysse was entangled. It was not close. It was absolutely atrocious refereeing.
Without that KD it is a 10-8 round (at least) for Matthysse. As it was, the entire round was completely dominated by Lucas, with the exception of the obviously illegitimate KD. Therefore I scored it 10-9 for Danny, though it should have been 10-8 for Lucas.
Originally, I scored it 10-8, as I believe most did.
Conclusion; with decent refereeing this fight would have had a much different outcome on the surface / obviously.
1. Lucas would not have had to absorb the ridiculous amount of low blows that under the best of circumstances would effect performance on the mobility and power levels.
2. The early point deduction would have made Team Garcia alter their game plan or face DQ. That does not mean that Matthysse necessarily would have won, just that we would have witnessed a fair contest.
3. This was worse than Mares v Agbeko I, and in that case an immediate rematch was demanded and took place.
Maybe the same thing would happen as did in Mares v Agbeko II; Danny would be forced to win legitimately and put on a dominant performance. The fact is that ALL of the evidence is there for anyone who is objective to come to the conclusion that Lucas Matthysse deserves an immediate rematch.
Then I went back and studied the fight. As a result I am calling for an immediate rematch. I hope that all reading this will go back and study the fight and decide for yourselves.
Originally, I had Danny winning by 114-113, on the strength of a two point 11th round as a result of the KD:
1. 10-9 Danny
2. 9-10 Lucas
3. 10-9 Danny
4. 10-9 Danny
5. 9-10 Lucas
6. 9-10 Lucas
7. 9-10 Lucas
8. 10-9 Danny
9. 10-9 Danny
10. 9-10 Lucas
11. 10-8 Danny
12. 9-10 Lucas
Total = 114-113 Garcia
After reviewng / studying the fight, I feel that it was a draw, because the 11th should have been 10-9 (not 10-8) Danny. I am not basing my call for a rematch on the fact that this was an extremely close fight, but rather on the following:
1. The referee was guilty of borderline criminal negligence for his failure to penalize Garcia earlier for his uncountable low blows. There should have been a point taken away no later than the 4th round, and Danny should possibly have been DQed for his actions, that most certainly effected his competitor's performance.
I am a big Mares fan, but I felt his actions in Agbeko I were terrible and obviously a conscious strategy. There was an uproar after that fight, and Mares faced deserved criticism.
Danny Garcia's performance was planned strategy that reached at least as bad a level as Mares' but in my opinion surpassed it. Team Garcia went in with the plan to hit Matthysse low and often, especially directly after being tagged. Danny consciously attacked Matthysse's lower hips, with special emphasis / focus on the lower right hip.
The referee is to blame and he should be penalized for his performance.
There were also several direct shots to the groin area. The only penalty dished out to Garcia was similar to NFL referees who allow holding by one team on every play, until the game is out of reach, in order to give a false sense of fairness.
The low blows were completely over the line, from the 2nd round on. There should be an immediate rematch for this reason alone.
2. The 11th round KD was completely illegitimate. It was the result of an obvious pull behind the head by Danny that spun Matthysse into the ropes and entangled him. The ref allowed Danny to continue punching while Matthysse was entangled. It was not close. It was absolutely atrocious refereeing.
Without that KD it is a 10-8 round (at least) for Matthysse. As it was, the entire round was completely dominated by Lucas, with the exception of the obviously illegitimate KD. Therefore I scored it 10-9 for Danny, though it should have been 10-8 for Lucas.
Originally, I scored it 10-8, as I believe most did.
Conclusion; with decent refereeing this fight would have had a much different outcome on the surface / obviously.
1. Lucas would not have had to absorb the ridiculous amount of low blows that under the best of circumstances would effect performance on the mobility and power levels.
2. The early point deduction would have made Team Garcia alter their game plan or face DQ. That does not mean that Matthysse necessarily would have won, just that we would have witnessed a fair contest.
3. This was worse than Mares v Agbeko I, and in that case an immediate rematch was demanded and took place.
Maybe the same thing would happen as did in Mares v Agbeko II; Danny would be forced to win legitimately and put on a dominant performance. The fact is that ALL of the evidence is there for anyone who is objective to come to the conclusion that Lucas Matthysse deserves an immediate rematch.
Man, what more do nonbelievers wanna see?
The kid has whooped everybody ass he wasn't suppose to and has done it
in a spectacular fashion. No reason to give Matthysse a rematch, hell Floyd didn't even want to fight him. Its time to jus stack the chips and make a real name for himself.
PRPP
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