p4p

[Run]

this is bs.com's p4p btw

Yeah that list is ok except for a couple of things:

1.) Taylor should not be included.

2.) Hatton should by no means rank higher than Castillo.

I think everyone else is a legitimate P4P top ten....hell in fact....I would rank Lacy higher than 10 ATM and granted he beats Calzaghe in impressive fashion: Top 5 material.

Yeah and I really dont understand something. How is Toney not considered "P4P" material? Simply because he is a heavyweight? I don't buy that. He is not a natural heavyweight and moving up to that class from super-middle should be some sort of "P4P" achievement....especially with the success he has had. I'm not his biggest fan to say the least, but give credit where it's due.

rafa over pac? c'mon u must admit that in terms of opponents and overall achievements pac outweighs rafa's

I don't necessarily agree with that. I would say they would rival eachother significantly. Marquez holds wins over two potential HOF fighters in Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson and Tim Austin, and as mentioned....has not lost in five years. Pac also holds wins over two potential HOF fighters in Morales and Barrera.



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[domzkidot]

whose better morales and barera or johnson and austin?

[ReadyUp]

whose better morales and barera or johnson and austin?

Regardless, he has two draws and a loss in his last 11 fights.
Marquez has been perfect in last 15, ko'ing 11.

It's alot closer than you think.

[Run]

whose better morales and barera or johnson and austin?

Obviously Barrera and Morales.

However Pac lost to Morales. So he's 2-1 against those two.

Marquez is 3-0 against the other two most impressive.



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[domzkidot]

yeah you have a point, why dont rafa step up one div and pac go down and they meet, wouldnt that be great

[Dirt E Gomez]

yeah you have a point, why dont rafa step up one div and pac go down and they meet, wouldnt that be great

Marquez hasn't had a problem making weight, or a need to move up... which are the 2 main reasons people change weights. Until one of those 2 occur I see no reason for him to alter his course of actions.

[ReadyUp]

yeah you have a point, why dont rafa step up one div and pac go down and they meet, wouldnt that be great

Rafael would have to jump 2 divisions to make featherweight if that's what your implying.

[domzkidot]

yeah something like that, thank you for pointing that out

[Bozo_no no]

I don't necessarily agree with that. I would say they would rival eachother significantly. Marquez holds wins over two potential HOF fighters in Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson and Tim Austin, and as mentioned....has not lost in five years. Pac also holds wins over two potential HOF fighters in Morales and Barrera.

Consider this though:

Marquez's last big win was the stoppage of Tim Austin in 2003 at 118 (where he's fought his entire career).

In 2003, Manny moved up to featherweight from Super Bantam. Since that time he's stopped two Hall of Fame fighters who were more currently top pound for pound fighters themselves at 126 and 130.

Manny's beaten the better fighters more reccently and moved up in weight to do so.

Rafael Marquez deserves props for making defenses, but nothing's stopping him from moving up to 122 to make big fights with top fighters there. Instead he's defended against a list of average mandatories.

Manny deserves to be higher than Rafael until he does something significant again.

[Run]

In 2003, Manny moved up to featherweight from Super Bantam. Since that time he's stopped two Hall of Fame fighters who were more currently top pound for pound fighters themselves at 126 and 130.

This is obviously true.

Consider this though. Marquez is Undefeated in the past 5 years. On the other hand Manny has 2 draws with J.M.M. and Sanchez.....not to mention his loss to Morales.



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