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[Bozo_no no]

This is obviously true.

Consider this though. Marquez is Undefeated in the past 5 years. On the other hand Manny has 2 draws with J.M.M. and Sanchez.....not to mention his loss to Morales.

If Manny had stayed at 122 and fought Mandatories I think he'd be undefeated in that time as well.

The loss to Morales was by a round, and I don't think it should be held agaisnt him when he was moving up in weight and fighting stiffer opponents. The draw agaisnt Sanchez really should have been a DQ win, and there's no shame in a draw with JMM. That draw with Manny is the only reason JMM gets close to the top ten. It doesn't make sense that it's a plus for him but a knock against Manny. If anything, it adds to his case.

Marquez hasn't really been challenged since 2003, which was 3 years ago.

The stoppage wins over Barrera and Morales really put it out of reach imo.

[domzkidot]

but he came back from that loss and won convincingly and he has only 1 draw, and he was cheated on that fight

[Easy-E]

I think it's pretty good, nice to see Rafael Marquez holding down the #3 spot.

when you look at his biggest wins, it proves he should not be at 3. pacs resume blows his away

[Run]

If Manny had stayed at 122 and fought Mandatories I think he'd be undefeated in that time as well.

The loss to Morales was by a round, and I don't think it should be held agaisnt him when he was moving up in weight and fighting stiffer opponents.

Marquez hasn't really been challenged since 2003, which was 3 years ago.

The stoppage wins over Barrera and Morales really put it out of reach imo.

In my opinion....Pacquiao's loss to Morales is not as unfavorable as the draws with Sanchez and Marquez. I never played the "who"s ducking who" game, but it was obvious both parties (J.M.M. and pacquiao) were guilty of not making the second fight happen. You could say J.M.M. chose to fight mandatories, while on the other hand....Pacquiao moved up in weight to fight the money fights.

I see those draws as red flags and the bottom line is this:

"If" Pacquiao would have rematched J.M.M....and won the featherweight belts, then made his fights with Morales and Barrera.....then no brainer.

Question:

"If" Marquez fights an Israel Vasquez or Oscar Larios and wins....where would you rank him at that point?



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[domzkidot]

too many ifs, how bout the facts lets stay withe facts

[Manny_P]

too many ifs, how bout the facts lets stay withe facts

LOL!

fact is Manny Pacquiao > Barrera and Morales combined!

[ReadyUp]

too many ifs, how bout the facts lets stay withe facts

It's funny you say that, because sticking with the facts...

Marquez hasn't lost or drew in his past 14-15 fights.

Pac on the other hand has. A draw wouldn't drop him too far but 1 loss and 2 draws don't shoot him up that high.

[Bozo_no no]

Question:

"If" Marquez fights an Israel Vasquez or Oscar Larios and wins....where would you rank him at that point?

If he moved up in weight and beat one or two of those fighters and gained titles at 122, I'd have him in my top 5, and would entertain arguments that he should be ranked higher than Manny. At this point, it's just been too long since he's done something significant. I'd have him between 5-10 right now. Still a helluva a fighter, and I don't want to give the impression I don't like or respect him. I think he's the hardest punching fighter pound for pound.

"I see those draws as red flags"

The first draw only ended the way it did because Sanchez was there to foul, and not fight. It was ugly, and his intention should have seen him DQ'd.

If you see those draws as a knock, where do you rate Juan Manuel? Without the draw against Pacquiao, he loses some serious clout.

I see nothing wrong with that fight. It was a plus for both guys imo.

[Bozo_no no]

It's funny you say that, because sticking with the facts...

Marquez hasn't lost or drew in his past 14-15 fights.

Pac on the other hand has. A draw wouldn't drop him too far but 1 loss and 2 draws don't shoot him up that high.

That's really selective thinking.

Reverse their roles.

Of course Rafael is undefeated in those 3 years, he hasn't been fighting anyone and is at the same weight he's been his entire career.

Manny's wins in the last 3 years include stoppages of guys that were firmly ranked in the top of pound for pound lists in five straight years.

[Run]

The first draw only ended the way it did because Sanchez was there to foul, and not fight.

Of course true. I think Manny should have set wrongs from right and fought and knocked him out in legitimate form.

If you see those draws as a knock, where do you rate Juan Manuel?

J.M.M. should by no means be ranked higher than Pacquiao...and that draw is not so much a knock....but more a red flag or questionmark.

People's viewpoints simply differ.

I see nothing wrong with that fight. It was a plus for both guys imo.

Pac on the other hand has. A draw wouldn't drop him too far but 1 loss and 2 draws don't shoot him up that high.

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