My top 20 greatest all time IF YOU DONT AGREE I WILL EXPLAIN

[James_Toney]

ezzard charles @ 9.... way too low.... top 3.... if not 1

[walrusthewill]

You seem like a big Langford fan, which might explain why you excluded Jack Johnson, but to not even have him as an honorable mention is too low I think.

[dc3383]

thanks man, I just did it on the fly, I use to be real maticulous about them but just wanted to get you guys opinion.

What hurts his standing is the era he fought in wasnt all that great often fighting the same guys a few times. Also, I dont see any other GREAT heavyweight champion struggling the way he did with Billy Conn who was 170 pounds although a great, great fighter and the upset loss to a near washed up Schmeling.

It's your list and your opinion so I wouldn't worry what anybody else thinks about.

[ab4life]

people have to make lists with arbitrary criteria in order to place floyd so high. if you made a list based on the most important thing in boxing resume floyd would be nowhere near the top.

skill? completely subjective and dependent on competition. anyone looks great against guys they hand pick.

longevity? ottke, calzaghe, john, cuenca, grigorian. all these guys had longevity. that means they are great fighters? also retiring for long stretches and barely fighting surely has an advantage over past eras where guys who fought 4-5 times a year.

dominance? once against dependent on your competition. not very hard to dominant when you are only fighting the guys that you want to fight. if pac fought 20 margaritos in a row he would be the most dominant fighter of all time!

you can't be one of the greats of all time if you refused to fight the best of your time.

I can't argue with this. Resume, resume, resume is what it's all about

[therealpugilist]

Cant see how you have jones and floyd above SRL

SRL defeated prime benetiz, hearns, duran, and ended the reign of hagler
plus undfeated jr mid champ abyule

SRL had a short career but his accomplishments are amazing,,,,

Roy and floyd dont have the prime ATG HOFers names on their resume like SRL has duran hearns benetiz and hagler,,,,,

all in all you list is good but for me ALi is top 3 and SRL is top 5 for me....

but to each his own...... Good list, i agree with alot of names just not the rankings,, and i dont see how if jones and floyd are in there than hopkins and chanvez arent

I used to have Leonard higher and Chavez at around 18-20 until the entry of Jones and Mayweather. Like I said Hopkins and Chavez is definitely top 25

I feel Leonard ranking was a bit too high considering the accomplishments and depth of the other guys resume. Leonards' is top heavy but their is a huge fall off from the fab 4 to the other guys. He lost in his peak and fought the wrong fight against a guy he held every advantage over like Duran. Robinson and Mayweather aint letting pride and ego change their game plan so that affected his standing. Also he lost that 2nd fight with Hearns in my eyes and admitted it.
As far as Hagler, that was perfect timing and shrewd on his part...trust me, their was a reason he fought him after wars with Hearns and Mugabi which took a lot out of him. Hagler IMO would have beaten Leonard in the late 70's and early 80's.


Ali is the greatest heavyweight ever but the guys I rated over him had more skills, and defeated more competition. Also his struggles with Norton and Jimmy Young hurt his standing a little. If he didnt have that exile he may be considered the greatest fighter ever.

As far as Roy and Floyd you can only beat whats there in front of you in your era.Just like Joe Louis but he struggled at times and even lost to SCHMELING who he should of beat. Jones won titles from middleweight to heavyweight which I believe will never happen again, and Mayweather has won lineal titles at 130,135,147,154 which I dont see happening anytime soon either.
In the same amount of fights Mayweather had won more titles, and beaten more champions than Leonard.

Also, Like I said at their peak, no one their size would be considered favored to beat them and they were near unbeatable at their best. Also in their era's they beat more champions than anyone and almost 3 times as many as Leonard.

[therealpugilist]

I just can't see On accomplishments alone having Floyd and Roy ahead of Duran, leanord and Pernell Whitaker. Just going through the list of top 5 fighters Leonard and Pernell fought and beat eats up what floyd/Roy have done. Is your list based on accomplishment or who would win in a p4p sense?

Based on accomplishment? Floyd and Roy defeated more champions than all of them and IMO p4p would be harder to beat. listing top 5 fighters is great, but you also have to consider the depth of their resumes
Jones....won titles at 160, 168, 175, and heavyweight...thats no small accomplishment and I dont see that happening again.

Mayweather...Duran started as a featherweight won lineal titles at 135, and 147 and major titles at 154 and 160....but Mayweather has lineal titles at 130, 135, 154, and 147 and has been more consistent than both Leonard and Duran as he aged as a fighter....Also he has more title defenses than both over their respective careers.

[therealpugilist]

ezzard charles @ 9.... way too low.... top 3.... if not 1

James.....is that really you!!! He sure loves some Ezzard Charles

[daggum]

I used to have Leonard higher and Chavez at around 18-20 until the entry of Jones and Mayweather. Like I said Hopkins and Chavez is definitely top 25

I feel Leonard ranking was a bit too high considering the accomplishments and depth of the other guys resume. Leonards' is top heavy but their is a huge fall off from the fab 4 to the other guys. He lost in his peak and fought the wrong fight against a guy he held every advantage over like Duran. Robinson and Mayweather aint letting pride and ego change their game plan so that affected his standing. Also he lost that 2nd fight with Hearns in my eyes and admitted it.
As far as Hagler, that was perfect timing and shrewd on his part...trust me, their was a reason he fought him after wars with Hearns and Mugabi which took a lot out of him. Hagler IMO would have beaten Leonard in the late 70's and early 80's.



As far as Roy and Floyd you can only beat whats there in front of you in your era Mayweather has won lineal titles at 130,135,147,154 which I dont see happening anytime soon either.
In the same amount of fights Mayweather had won more titles, and beaten more champions than Leonard.

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top heavy resume isn't that a good thing? floyd doesn't have 1 win that rivals leonard's over benitez. not one. not even close. so if leonard's is top heavy then floyd's is bottom heavy. mayweather's pride won't even let him get in the ring with dangerous guys like pac or margarito. his game plan was don't fight them. bonus points i guess.

losing to duran? he happens to be one of the best fighters of all time and floyd hasn't beaten anyone close to him. i mean he's 14 on your list.floyd should have lost to castillo and last time i checked duran was better than castillo. where's castillo on your list?

haha titles and champions. and who were they? i noticed you didn't mention any names at all because most the guys floyd beat had no great standing in the sport of boxing unlike leonard's wins. floyd beat baldomir and canelo to become linear in those 2. aka weak. benitez beat all time great cervantes at 140, hall of famer palomino at 147 and all time great duran at 154. that is what you call a resume. and benitez is considered the 5th best out of all those guys. he isn't even in your top 20 yet floyd is because he took the easier path and you reward him.

[Counter Troll]

Outside of Floyd at #10. Not a horrible list.

But Chavez Sr. Arguello, Hopkins & Floyd have no business anywhere near a top 20 ATG list.

But a Floyd win over Pacquiao before he proves himself to be completely shot could change all of that. Still wouldn't be in the top 10 though. Even if he beat a peak Manny Pacquiao.

Regarding Hopkins, if cleans out Light Heavyweight & becomes undisputed while either 50 or pushing 50 (as absurd as it seems, it's highly possible). I don't see how you can't have a spot for him the top 20.

[daggum]

Outside of Floyd at #10. Not a horrible list.

But Chavez Sr. Arguello, Hopkins & Floyd have no business anywhere near a top 20 ATG list.

But a Floyd win over Pacquiao before he proves himself to be completely shot could change all of that. Still wouldn't be in the top 10 though. Even if he beat a peak Manny Pacquiao.

Regarding Hopkins, if cleans out Light Heavyweight & becomes undisputed while either 50 or pushing 50 (as absurd as it seems, it's highly possible). I don't see how you can't have a spot for him the top 20.

that's what i dont understand. leonard has 4 wins near that magnitude. 4! floyd doesn't even have 1. what the fOOK. why would he be so high? do a lot of good wins=1 great win? floyd is better because he's consistent, because he won a lot of titles, because he beat a lot of champions? sounds like a lot of fluff to me.