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  • chill4500
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    #21
    Originally posted by Deevel916
    Well he's smart enough to know how to use his leverage. A fighter like pac had all the leverage in the world yet was too dumb to know how to use it
    Pacquiao started at 106 pounds, and after 2 consecutive defeats in 2012, is fighting on HBO PPV in November of 2013 for another $20 million payday. Cotto is fighting on regular HBO for less than 20% of what Pacquiao will make.

    Explain the dumb part.

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    • Deevel916
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      #22
      Originally posted by chill4500
      Pacquiao started at 106 pounds, and after 2 consecutive defeats in 2012, is fighting on HBO PPV in November of 2013 for another $20 million payday. Cotto is fighting on regular HBO for less than 20% of what Pacquiao will make.

      Explain the dumb part.
      The dumb part is staying with arum rather than taking control of his own career and letting everyone around him influence his career. Pac doesn't understand that they work for him instead of him working for them. Pac is only still Making $20mil paydays because he's an exciting all action fighter that can still draw. As far as the losses go, everyone aside from Bradley and his trainer feel that pac actually lost that fight. He has 1 true loss against Jmm in a fight where pac was whopping his azz until getting caught flush. Prior to that his last official loss happened almost 9yrs ago to Erik Morales. Cotto on the other hand just suffered 2 decisive losses back to back. If he can still get HBO to pay him millions to fight, then he has used his leverage well. He was smart enough to break away from arum to get a career high payday against Floyd then come back to arum.

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      • Fetta
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        #23
        I read this like small promoters are upset with the favortism shown towards TR by HBO not the amount payed to Cotto. Did i read it wrong?

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        • chill4500
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          #24
          Originally posted by Deevel916
          The dumb part is staying with arum rather than taking control of his own career and letting everyone around him influence his career. Pac doesn't understand that they work for him instead of him working for them. Pac is only still Making $20mil paydays because he's an exciting all action fighter that can still draw. As far as the losses go, everyone aside from Bradley and his trainer feel that pac actually lost that fight. He has 1 true loss against Jmm in a fight where pac was whopping his azz until getting caught flush. Prior to that his last official loss happened almost 9yrs ago to Erik Morales. Cotto on the other hand just suffered 2 decisive losses back to back. If he can still get HBO to pay him millions to fight, then he has used his leverage well. He was smart enough to break away from arum to get a career high payday against Floyd then come back to arum.
          Manny Pacquiao's career is in politics, and from my vantage point, Bob Arum nor Top Rank has any influence in those particular endeavors. When you factor in how Pacquiao handles his life, in general, I think it makes perfectly good sense to have a promoter for his boxing. Whether you feel Top Rank, Golden Boy, or anyone else is worthy of having him on their roster is your prerogative. Cotto's career high payday vs. Mayweather still wasn't as much as Pacquiao makes, after 2 consecutive losses, so I don't see how Miguel used his leverage any better than Pacquiao has. Miguel has had a large fanbase in Puerto Rico, New York, and Florida, and has faced Margarito, Mosley, Clottey, and Pacquiao in very tough matches. If he remained with Top Rank, he'd surely be making more than he is for his comeback bout with them on October 5. In fact, if he fights under their banner in 2014, he'll make a huge payday(s).

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          • beast702
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            #25
            Originally posted by hougigo
            Cotto I'd the third highest ppv star and fought Pac and mayweather. yea ward is mad, but cottos not only been built up, he's been in 3 ppvs and is constantly relevant in the sport. Ward might be better, but cotto is by far the bigger star...
            hes actually been in closer to 6 or 7 ppvs I'm not for sure.

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            • beast702
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              #26
              Cottos his own boss and he can fight whoever whenever. He has Sergio or Canelo for some big money. Good for him taking it by a fight to fight basis. Get the most money he can and the best fights he can for himself. He only has so many fights so he better take advantage.

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              • Russian Crushin
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                #27
                Originally posted by chill4500
                Miguel Cotto has leverage, others don't, so it doesn't make him smarter than anyone else. I don't see what the big deal is. Cotto secured the best deal for himself, nothing for DiBella or other to complain about.

                This article is really reaching for something that isn't there.
                No, you're missing the entire point if this article, why did HBO reject a possibility of Cotto facing Delvin when Dibella brought it up and then would face sergio, but accepted it now whens hes with Arum

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                • AP♠
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                  #28
                  Get that guap Cotto!!

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                  • mrpain81
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Fetta
                    I read this like small promoters are upset with the favortism shown towards TR by HBO not the amount payed to Cotto. Did i read it wrong?
                    Looks like nobody even read the article just saying Cotto deserves big $$$.

                    Originally posted by Russian Crushin
                    No, you're missing the entire point if this article, why did HBO reject a possibility of Cotto facing Delvin when Dibella brought it up and then would face sergio, but accepted it now whens hes with Arum
                    Yes.

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                    • nycsmooth
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                      #30
                      IMO, it's not about this bout but the next 1...this fight is nothing more than a measuring stick 2 c how much Cotto has lost.....4 yrs ago, Delvin would not have been considered, it was the 2 ESPN bouts that got him this bout, limited xposure, & a guy that stands in front of u, perfect 4 Cotto...

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