Comments Thread For: Javier Fortuna Returns on October 19th, Santo Domingo

[King_]

Good decision by Fortuna's team. I thought Fortuna lost his last fight on FNF. The Cuban had a spoiling style but my god Fortuna looked absolutely lost/amateurish. Got lucky as hell with the draw.

Not ready for a step up IMO, back to the drawing board to figure some things out

[CubanGuyNYC]

Good decision by Fortuna's team. I thought Fortuna lost his last fight on FNF. The Cuban had a spoiling style but my god Fortuna looked absolutely lost/amateurish. Got lucky as hell with the draw.

Not ready for a step up IMO, back to the drawing board to figure some things out

I agree with every word. Franco wasn't looking to engage much with Fortuna. He used his experience and craft to spoil Javier's offense and scored in spurts. A lot of people thought Luis pulled off the victory, except Teddy, of course. It wasn't the prettiest fight, that's for sure, but it showed what a solid fighter can do with someone as talented but inexperienced as Fortuna.

[PACnPBFsuck]

He did stink up the joint, back to the drawing board.

He tries to hard to go for the KO.

[CubanGuyNYC]

He did stink up the joint, back to the drawing board.

He tries to hard to go for the KO.

That's the trap guys like Fortuna fall into; they fall in love with their own power. You can't win every fight by knockout; and trying to go for one versus a solid opponent loses you rounds, or gets you KOed yourself. The kid just turned 24. He has time to develop his gifts. Javier needs a good trainer. Any coach can look good with a talent like Fortuna; but Javier needs a trainer that'll truly help him get past the tough opponents, not just depend on the boy's natural ability.

[illpapi]

That's the trap guys like Fortuna fall into; they fall in love with their own power. You can't win every fight by knockout; and trying to go for one versus a solid opponent loses you rounds, or gets you KOed yourself. The kid just turned 24. He has time to develop his gifts. Javier needs a good trainer. Any coach can look good with a talent like Fortuna; but Javier needs a trainer that'll truly help him get past the tough opponents, not just depend on the boy's natural ability.

So, what's the deal then? There is mention of work with a new trainer but exactly what does that mean? They don't say that he is now working with someone else. Are they trying out this new trainer to see how it goes and then take it from there? Will he no longer be working with Sarmiento? I just feel like the article was a little vague with that.

[PACnPBFsuck]

That's the trap guys like Fortuna fall into; they fall in love with their own power. You can't win every fight by knockout; and trying to go for one versus a solid opponent loses you rounds, or gets you KOed yourself. The kid just turned 24. He has time to develop his gifts. Javier needs a good trainer. Any coach can look good with a talent like Fortuna; but Javier needs a trainer that'll truly help him get past the tough opponents, not just depend on the boy's natural ability.

If you watch Wilder and Fortuna, they mirror each other. Throwing Hayemakers from the opening bell, but he's definitely looked mediocre when taken deep into a fight.

[King_]

I agree with every word. Franco wasn't looking to engage much with Fortuna. He used his experience and craft to spoil Javier's offense and scored in spurts. A lot of people thought Luis pulled off the victory, except Teddy, of course. It wasn't the prettiest fight, that's for sure, but it showed what a solid fighter can do with someone as talented but inexperienced as Fortuna.

No doubt. I thought Franco won for sure. Fortuna is going to have to learn how to adapt and not be so hypnotized by his own power. The more he steps up the less guys are going to just stand there and trade in the pocket with him. From what I remember Franco absolutely dictated the fight and Fortuna was frustrated, but kept on doing the same thing! His corner made no adjustments.

The talents there, I just think there's some technical and tactical issues that need to be tweaked and surely with this step down, his team is well aware. Hopefully.

[CubanGuyNYC]

So, what's the deal then? There is mention of work with a new trainer but exactly what does that mean? They don't say that he is now working with someone else. Are they trying out this new trainer to see how it goes and then take it from there? Will he no longer be working with Sarmiento? I just feel like the article was a little vague with that.

I wish I knew. I really don't know anything about Sarmiento, whether he's regarded as good, bad or average. All I know is that Fortuna fought mindlessly and made no adjustments. That makes me think that his corner had no answers, and didn't properly prepare Javier for a definite step up.

If you watch Wilder and Fortuna, they mirror each other. Throwing Hayemakers from the opening bell, but he's definitely looked mediocre when taken deep into a fight.

The difference is, Wilder will take your head off with the first solid shot he lands. But even if Fortuna had that kind of power, sooner or later you run into someone with a solid defense and some offense of his own. Let's see if any adjustments are made against the next good opponent.

[CubanGuyNYC]

No doubt. I thought Franco won for sure. Fortuna is going to have to learn how to adapt and not be so hypnotized by his own power. The more he steps up the less guys are going to just stand there and trade in the pocket with him. From what I remember Franco absolutely dictated the fight and Fortuna was frustrated, but kept on doing the same thing! His corner made no adjustments.

The talents there, I just think there's some technical and tactical issues that need to be tweaked and surely with this step down, his team is well aware. Hopefully.

I'd seen Franco fight only a couple of times before. He struck me as very old school. Luis liked to mix it up, fighting on the inside a lot. He could take a punch and battle deep into a fight. I wondered if he would take that approach against Fortuna. Frankly, it concerned me.

Well, it became clear early on what Franco's game-plan was. He was going to frustrate and tie up the young Javier. He was going to wait for openings and open up a little more as the fight wore on. It was a good, if messy, strategy...and it almost worked.

I wonder how much of Fortuna's failure had to do with his inexperience and stubbornness, and how much had to do with his corner. Sometimes fighters simply won't listen to instructions. I just have a su****ion that Javier's handlers didn't guide him properly. Then again, there's always the possibility that Franco was just a little too crafty for the youngster. I predicted before the fight that Luis wouldn't be an easy hurdle for the kid. Let's see what Fortuna looks like against his next solid opponent.