Pro's and Con's: Pacman vs El Terrible

[czars_salad]

PACMAN by 5th round TKO

the referee will stop the fight due to devastating punches thrown at Morales

Morales will be left crying coz he knows his career is already over

hahaha

[Chups]

Since Mauricio doesn't like this kind of threads...Ima BUMP it!!

[AIR_KENG]

Pro’s and Con’s: The Destroyer versus El Terrible

As much as everybody wants to see the Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez rematch, we will rather see a good, if not better, classic match between Erik “El Terrible” Morales and Manny “The Destroyer” Pacquiao.
And as always, every classic battle between 2 of the most exciting fighters of the present time is preceded by much speculation and debate. So toi set things staright, let me sight some pro’s and con’s between these two great athletes.
I have divided this into categories so here goes:

POWER: These two are pretty much at par with regards to punching power. Manny is regarded to have the most devastating killer punch in boxing pound for pound, but on the contrary, he has yet to knock his opponent out with his right. His left is getting so much hype that people tend to underrate the power of his right, which also posseses some power as he displayed in the Barrera fight.
Erik on the other hand, has shown great and balanced punching power in both hands. He can knock opponents out with either hand and does so with tremendous precision and smooth style. Though he does not have that nasty killer blow that Pacquiao has, he greatly makes up for that with some brutal 1-2.

Advantage: DRAW

SPEED: This is quite obvious. With his fast-paced, come-what-may approach, Manny surely wins this category. His handspeed, footwork, bobbing and weaving all complement his attacking style and the early barrage of punches.
Erik is a slow-paced fighter, which may ezplain why he does not have such remarkable handspeed and footwork as Manny does. But it well fits his style of play.

Advantage: MANNY

SIZE AND REACH: Again, this is quite obvious. Erik is going to be the biggest opponent for Manny and may very well be a big factor in the fight. Erik is 2 inches taller than Manny, and has a whopping 4 inch advantage in reach. So this can greatly help the cause of the Mexican sensation.

Advantage: ERIK

ACCURACY: Due mainly to contrast of styles, Erik wins this category by a distance. With his think-now-attack-later approach, he will surely be more accurate in this fight. Manny is usually the aggressor in his fights and will still be in this one so it will probably spell a high number of total punches but very low landing rate.

Advantage: ERIK

STAMINA: This one is a close call. We know both fighters can go the distance. They have been in 10-12 round fights before and made it through. But I have to hand this out to Manny. With all that bobbing and weaving, he displays greater stamina than practically all of the fighters he faced.
Erik also has great stamina, but just like in his two loses to MAB, he tends to show fatigue after he is bombed with a barrage of punches. But this is still a close call.

Advantage: MANNY

EXPERIENCE: Erik’s 3 fights at 130 lbs to Manny’s none. Erik’s 149 championhip rounds to Manny’s 46.Whew! That’s a lot of difference! Experience is backing up Erik’s side without any question. He is more comfortable at the weight class and shown that by being the champion, before losing it to eventual champion, MAB. It will definitely be an advantage for him since he is well adsjusted to the weight class and will need less polishing compared to Pacquiao who is still fighting at 130 lbs for the first time.

Advantage: ERIK

HUNGER: I will have to give this to Erik once more. Coming off a loss, he will surely take it on Manny to regain his rightful place as one of the best, if not the best, featherweight in the world.

Advantage: ERIK

MINDSET: Erik is such an emotional fighter. He looks into battles as something personal and that is something he should win. That explains the hunger he has. But if he is not able to get over the MAB loss and rather take it on Manny, to prove something that he can beat the boxer that beat barrera, then it could a weakness. He displayed that well enough during the Barrera fight, he became too emotional and it became his downfall. Right now, Manny fights for flag and country, and not over some heated rivalry, so I will have to give this to him.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINER: Not that I am too much credit on reputation, but his success and experience speaks for itself. Freddie Roach is undoubtedly the best trainer in boxing industry today and Manny respects him like no other. Having the best trainer surely gives advantage to a fighter.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINING TIME: with both fighters starting early on, they should be in tip-top shape when they face each other.

Advantage: DRAW

Well there you have it guys, a split draw on paper. But certainly hope the real outcome won’t be this way. It should be ERIK or MANNY. No more no less. I just wish all the best of luck to both fighters and to all the fans.

Air Keng's post makes a lot of sense indeed. Just to add...

Morales main trust is his reach and uses it from a distance where he is more dangerous. From my experience of watching Morales' fights, he throws more accurate punches from a distance where he could measure his opponent well. Morales also attacks effectively when you face him with your head down, he could dig you down in volume. On the other hand, when he fights close, the upper cut is his most lethal punch. But what is most admirable on Morales' offensive ability is when he sees an opening and hurt you, he would follow it up with fast combinations and no matter how you counter, he will stay on top of you to continue those volume of punches. Morales connecting punches from a distance and punches coming from the top because he is usually taller than his opponents were always easy for the judges to see, that is why he would usually get a decision. We could readily see such scenario on his victories against the smaller ones like Ayala, Chavez and Hernandez.

For Pacquiao to counter Morales' deadly arsenals, he need lots of head and feet movemen plus good defense, fast hands and staying close to Morales.Pac must make a relentless attack every round to throw off Morales from his rhytm. I usually see Morales having trouble fighting at a close distance especially when his opponent has quicker hands than him. He also has trouble dealing with relentless attacks but never to the body, only to the head. When Morales' engaged with In Jin Chi, the Korean would always force him to engage closer that allowed Chi to connect with clear shots to the head in most rounds, that is the reason why his fight with Chi was really competitve than expected. In his last fight with Barrera, Marco avoided a fight from a distance and would always engage Morales toe-to-toe, even though Morales would always be on top of Barrera up close, Barrera had the quicker hands, that is why Barrera won. One good thing that Pacquiao must do that he could follow from Barrera is that Barrera would first allow Morales to throw his deadly right, upon avoiding Morales' right, Barrera would immediately struck a left hitting Morales defenseless.

I believe with Pacquiao's speed, he could beat Morales better than what Barrera showed. The more danger here for Morales is that Pacquiao has powerful fists than Barrera and more relentless than Barrera. Pacquiao's ability in cutting the ring and speed would force Morales to fight close and toe-to-toe with Pacquiao. Besides, when Morales feels the painful blows of Pacquiao, his Mexican machismo instinct would come out and would really slam**** with Pacquiao toe-to-toe, such match for sure would go Pacquiao's way.

I believe Morales has never seen such a fresh yet powerful and faster top opponent than Pacquiao. I never saw Zaragoza, but I saw Morales' fight with Ayala, Barrera, Hernandez, Chi, Espadas twice and Chavez and I could simply say no one comes close to Pac's power and speed. Barrera and Ayala might be more skillful than Pacquiao but Pac is getting more dangerous now with his improving skill that only complements his power and speed.

Since the Manny Pacquiao-Morales Bout is getting closer and closer, I'd like to bring this up again... Any more ideas would be very welcome...

[pacmanrulz]

Pacman will KO Morales! Thats the way I see it!

[AIR_KENG]

any more outthere???

[evosbm]

Pro’s and Con’s: The Destroyer versus El Terrible

As much as everybody wants to see the Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez rematch, we will rather see a good, if not better, classic match between Erik “El Terrible” Morales and Manny “The Destroyer” Pacquiao.
And as always, every classic battle between 2 of the most exciting fighters of the present time is preceded by much speculation and debate. So toi set things staright, let me sight some pro’s and con’s between these two great athletes.
I have divided this into categories so here goes:

POWER: These two are pretty much at par with regards to punching power. Manny is regarded to have the most devastating killer punch in boxing pound for pound, but on the contrary, he has yet to knock his opponent out with his right. His left is getting so much hype that people tend to underrate the power of his right, which also posseses some power as he displayed in the Barrera fight.
Erik on the other hand, has shown great and balanced punching power in both hands. He can knock opponents out with either hand and does so with tremendous precision and smooth style. Though he does not have that nasty killer blow that Pacquiao has, he greatly makes up for that with some brutal 1-2.

Advantage: DRAW

SPEED: This is quite obvious. With his fast-paced, come-what-may approach, Manny surely wins this category. His handspeed, footwork, bobbing and weaving all complement his attacking style and the early barrage of punches.
Erik is a slow-paced fighter, which may ezplain why he does not have such remarkable handspeed and footwork as Manny does. But it well fits his style of play.

Advantage: MANNY

SIZE AND REACH: Again, this is quite obvious. Erik is going to be the biggest opponent for Manny and may very well be a big factor in the fight. Erik is 2 inches taller than Manny, and has a whopping 4 inch advantage in reach. So this can greatly help the cause of the Mexican sensation.

Advantage: ERIK

ACCURACY: Due mainly to contrast of styles, Erik wins this category by a distance. With his think-now-attack-later approach, he will surely be more accurate in this fight. Manny is usually the aggressor in his fights and will still be in this one so it will probably spell a high number of total punches but very low landing rate.

Advantage: ERIK

STAMINA: This one is a close call. We know both fighters can go the distance. They have been in 10-12 round fights before and made it through. But I have to hand this out to Manny. With all that bobbing and weaving, he displays greater stamina than practically all of the fighters he faced.
Erik also has great stamina, but just like in his two loses to MAB, he tends to show fatigue after he is bombed with a barrage of punches. But this is still a close call.

Advantage: MANNY

EXPERIENCE: Erik’s 3 fights at 130 lbs to Manny’s none. Erik’s 149 championhip rounds to Manny’s 46.Whew! That’s a lot of difference! Experience is backing up Erik’s side without any question. He is more comfortable at the weight class and shown that by being the champion, before losing it to eventual champion, MAB. It will definitely be an advantage for him since he is well adsjusted to the weight class and will need less polishing compared to Pacquiao who is still fighting at 130 lbs for the first time.

Advantage: ERIK

HUNGER: I will have to give this to Erik once more. Coming off a loss, he will surely take it on Manny to regain his rightful place as one of the best, if not the best, featherweight in the world.

Advantage: ERIK

MINDSET: Erik is such an emotional fighter. He looks into battles as something personal and that is something he should win. That explains the hunger he has. But if he is not able to get over the MAB loss and rather take it on Manny, to prove something that he can beat the boxer that beat barrera, then it could a weakness. He displayed that well enough during the Barrera fight, he became too emotional and it became his downfall. Right now, Manny fights for flag and country, and not over some heated rivalry, so I will have to give this to him.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINER: Not that I am too much credit on reputation, but his success and experience speaks for itself. Freddie Roach is undoubtedly the best trainer in boxing industry today and Manny respects him like no other. Having the best trainer surely gives advantage to a fighter.

Advantage: MANNY

TRAINING TIME: with both fighters starting early on, they should be in tip-top shape when they face each other.

Advantage: DRAW

Well there you have it guys, a split draw on paper. But certainly hope the real outcome won’t be this way. It should be ERIK or MANNY. No more no less. I just wish all the best of luck to both fighters and to all the fans.

your thread is graet. except for this part where you're sayin' "he has yet to knock his opponent out with his right (Pacquiao)". maybe we could consider his KO win over Rakkiatgym. it was more of Manny's right that devastated that fighter. it's even right in your signature...

but in general, you got an excellent thread. cheers!

[kadyo's]

your thread is graet. except for this part where you're sayin' "he has yet to knock his opponent out with his right (Pacquiao)". maybe we could consider his KO win over Rakkiatgym. it was more of Manny's right that devastated that fighter. it's even right in your signature...

but in general, you got an excellent thread. cheers!

I just want to get more opinons re pros and cons of the forthcoming pac-em fight so the reply!

[AIR_KENG]

your thread is graet. except for this part where you're sayin' "he has yet to knock his opponent out with his right (Pacquiao)". maybe we could consider his KO win over Rakkiatgym. it was more of Manny's right that devastated that fighter. it's even right in your signature...

but in general, you got an excellent thread. cheers!

i made this thread long before i got that .gif on my sig so explains the contradiction... thanks anyway...

[Famoso Matador]

I think that morales has a higher chance of winning this fight than Pacquio does. Marquez was knocked down three times in the first round, but after he watched out for the mannys left hand he outboxed manny. I agree that Morales plan should be not to trade,he should use his reach advantage early on and set the tempo. He should win if he just boxes manny. Not to say that manny doesn't have a chance, im sure a lot of people thought he didnt have a chance against barrera. One punch could change everything.

[pacmanrulz]

I think that morales has a higher chance of winning this fight than Pacquio does. Marquez was knocked down three times in the first round, but after he watched out for the mannys left hand he outboxed manny. I agree that Morales plan should be not to trade,he should use his reach advantage early on and set the tempo. He should win if he just boxes manny. Not to say that manny doesn't have a chance, im sure a lot of people thought he didnt have a chance against barrera. One punch could change everything.

did Marquez drop or even hurt Pacman? I dont think so...I think Morales will go down! Pacman will win it by 4th round KO or TKO!