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Pro's and Con's: Pacman vs El Terrible
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Originally posted by Sister SledgeJMM clearly outboxed M-Pac. You can Debate on how many rounds Pac won, bet there is no debate that he was outboxed. Morales is a very good boxer and you can't just base his style on his fights with MAB. Erik is also a better fighter than JMM with a much better chin, who also hits harder. Morales is not slow and JMM is no speed demon. I'm not taking anything away from
M-Pac, but MAB has lost to a few fighters who were really elite. Just because Manny beat Barerra doesn't mean he is an elite fighter. Does he hit hard? Hell yeah! So could Junior Jones. But he didn't beat JMM and was clearly outboxed. I understand he is a fellow filipina, but before you annoint him god, let's see if he can perform another miracle
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Originally posted by Sister SledgeThe best or most skilled. A superior fighter. He didn't prove that he was better than JMM and he hasn't even cleaned out his division, so how can one ascend themselves to elite status with only one good win? I don't even like Morales but nuthuggers make me more sick than El Terrible.
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Originally posted by Sister SledgeI never said that you said he has a great chin, and I never said he has a glass chin. What I am saying is that he knocked out a bunch of ham and eggers. Sure he knocked out MAB, sure he knocked down JMM. But he was also outclassed by JMM after the first round. OUTSKILLED! You guys are downplaying Morales just because you want Pac to win and you are basing your decision that Pac will win solely on the Barerra-Morales fight. The Barerra-Morales fight wasn't even about boxing. It was about defending your turf and representing your people and your name. This fight is a totally different situation. It's not personal this time. Erik Morales is a very talented fighter, more talented than Manny. Manny is a quick fighter with a big punch, but what's going to happen when Erick doesn't go down? I don't know if Pac can last if he has to go to war with Morales, and he definately can't outbox him, so were just going to have to wait and see. Either way, I think Manny is a very good fighter, but Erik is a great fighter and that will be the difference in the fight. Good luck to them both. It should be a great fight
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Originally posted by air_kengso you're saying that barrera was TKO'd by a very cheap fighter? then that means he is as cheap too... you can't be an "elite' fighter and be TKO'd, or outboxed by such a cheap fighter... and i have told this before: i admit that JMM outboxed manny, i am not going to deny that... because he outboxed manny by only ten punches... come on! there's no significant difference...
MAB is an elite fighter, but he just doesn't match up well with some people, and his chin has been reached.
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Freddy Roach said Manny suffered a fracture in his left hand during the the fight with JMM which effected his performance badly. I'll believe him since he hasn't read all this forum nonsense to need to make up an excuse. There you have it, that is why Manny couldn't put away or perform as he does vs every other boxer he's faced. This is why JMM stayed away from the fire because he knew he'd get burned in the rematch.
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Originally posted by air_kengyou are also downplaying manny because you want erik to win badly... and you now what manny can do... best killer punch in the business... discrediting manny is just not suited for his reputation...
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Originally posted by Sister SledgeLook, Manny is not a cheap fighter, he's very good. He just hasn't proven himself to be an elite fighter. The difference between him and JMM is ring generalship. Marquez has more ring generalship than Manny. It doesn't matter how many punches you landed, it's how you control the fight.
MAB is an elite fighter, but he just doesn't match up well with some people, and his chin has been reached.
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Originally posted by Sister SledgeI'm not discrediting Manny, I'm just not gonna put him on a pedestal just yet. I'm not even a Morales fan. I just think that this will be Manny's toughest fight; tougher than the JMM fight. If he wins, I'll give him all the credit in the world.
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Originally posted by air_kengi agree, toughest fight on paper, but i won't say this is tougher a fight for manny that with JMM... JMM is still the toughest for manny and will always be... but if ever manny loses to erik, only then would i change my mind, hehe... but i doubt it...
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