Pro's and Con's: Pacman vs El Terrible

[Sister Sledge]

Well you do the researching buddy. Obviously you don't know Pacquiao and you don't know what you are talking about I'm I telling you that he has a great chin? Did you see that in my post? Pacquiao might not have the best chin but he doesn't have a "glass chin either". Watch how Pacquiao absorb the best punches that MAB and JMM had to offer, doesn't it show that the guy have a decent chin otherwise you'll be telling me that both MAB and JMM doesn't have power at all. Now if you are reffering to the guy's earlier KDs . . . how long ago was that? For your info after he lost his belt in Thailand due to weight problem he demolished and sent 12 of his last 14 opponents to the canvas with that fight with dirty Sanchez and JMM ending in controversial draws. Actually he sent 13 to the canvas that includes JMM, MAB, LUCERO and LEBWADA.

Now before you post something make sure you know what you are talking about . . . buddy. Who needs to do a research?

I never said that you said he has a great chin, and I never said he has a glass chin. What I am saying is that he knocked out a bunch of ham and eggers. Sure he knocked out MAB, sure he knocked down JMM. But he was also outclassed by JMM after the first round. OUTSKILLED! You guys are downplaying Morales just because you want Pac to win and you are basing your decision that Pac will win solely on the Barerra-Morales fight. The Barerra-Morales fight wasn't even about boxing. It was about defending your turf and representing your people and your name. This fight is a totally different situation. It's not personal this time. Erik Morales is a very talented fighter, more talented than Manny. Manny is a quick fighter with a big punch, but what's going to happen when Erick doesn't go down? I don't know if Pac can last if he has to go to war with Morales, and he definately can't outbox him, so were just going to have to wait and see. Either way, I think Manny is a very good fighter, but Erik is a great fighter and that will be the difference in the fight. Good luck to them both. It should be a great fight

[AIR_KENG]

JMM clearly outboxed M-Pac. You can Debate on how many rounds Pac won, bet there is no debate that he was outboxed. Morales is a very good boxer and you can't just base his style on his fights with MAB. Erik is also a better fighter than JMM with a much better chin, who also hits harder. Morales is not slow and JMM is no speed demon. I'm not taking anything away from
M-Pac, but MAB has lost to a few fighters who were really elite. Just because Manny beat Barerra doesn't mean he is an elite fighter. Does he hit hard? Hell yeah! So could Junior Jones. But he didn't beat JMM and was clearly outboxed. I understand he is a fellow filipina, but before you annoint him god, let's see if he can perform another miracle

so you're saying that barrera was TKO'd by a very cheap fighter? then that means he is as cheap too... you can't be an "elite' fighter and be TKO'd, or outboxed by such a cheap fighter... and i have told this before: i admit that JMM outboxed manny, i am not going to deny that... because he outboxed manny by only ten punches... come on! there's no significant difference...

[AIR_KENG]

The best or most skilled. A superior fighter. He didn't prove that he was better than JMM and he hasn't even cleaned out his division, so how can one ascend themselves to elite status with only one good win? I don't even like Morales but nuthuggers make me more sick than El Terrible.

huh? you are considering erik and your beloved MAB elite fighters, but i'm going to throw your quesiton back to you, have they sweeped their divisions yet? MAB is avoiding JMM, erik is not going to face JMM, manny has beaten MAB, will have a possible rematch with JMM (i hope), and will be fighting erik. he's not going to fight threeof the best in that division if he was not among the best too. and who are you calling nuthuggers? you are the nuthugger, defending MAB like his d**k was your life...

[AIR_KENG]

I never said that you said he has a great chin, and I never said he has a glass chin. What I am saying is that he knocked out a bunch of ham and eggers. Sure he knocked out MAB, sure he knocked down JMM. But he was also outclassed by JMM after the first round. OUTSKILLED! You guys are downplaying Morales just because you want Pac to win and you are basing your decision that Pac will win solely on the Barerra-Morales fight. The Barerra-Morales fight wasn't even about boxing. It was about defending your turf and representing your people and your name. This fight is a totally different situation. It's not personal this time. Erik Morales is a very talented fighter, more talented than Manny. Manny is a quick fighter with a big punch, but what's going to happen when Erick doesn't go down? I don't know if Pac can last if he has to go to war with Morales, and he definately can't outbox him, so were just going to have to wait and see. Either way, I think Manny is a very good fighter, but Erik is a great fighter and that will be the difference in the fight. Good luck to them both. It should be a great fight

you are also downplaying manny because you want erik to win badly... and you now what manny can do... best killer punch in the business... discrediting manny is just not suited for his reputation...

[Sister Sledge]

so you're saying that barrera was TKO'd by a very cheap fighter? then that means he is as cheap too... you can't be an "elite' fighter and be TKO'd, or outboxed by such a cheap fighter... and i have told this before: i admit that JMM outboxed manny, i am not going to deny that... because he outboxed manny by only ten punches... come on! there's no significant difference...

Look, Manny is not a cheap fighter, he's very good. He just hasn't proven himself to be an elite fighter. The difference between him and JMM is ring generalship. Marquez has more ring generalship than Manny. It doesn't matter how many punches you landed, it's how you control the fight.

MAB is an elite fighter, but he just doesn't match up well with some people, and his chin has been reached.

[ELPacman]

Freddy Roach said Manny suffered a fracture in his left hand during the the fight with JMM which effected his performance badly. I'll believe him since he hasn't read all this forum nonsense to need to make up an excuse. There you have it, that is why Manny couldn't put away or perform as he does vs every other boxer he's faced. This is why JMM stayed away from the fire because he knew he'd get burned in the rematch.

[Sister Sledge]

you are also downplaying manny because you want erik to win badly... and you now what manny can do... best killer punch in the business... discrediting manny is just not suited for his reputation...

I'm not discrediting Manny, I'm just not gonna put him on a pedestal just yet. I'm not even a Morales fan. I just think that this will be Manny's toughest fight; tougher than the JMM fight. If he wins, I'll give him all the credit in the world.

[AIR_KENG]

Look, Manny is not a cheap fighter, he's very good. He just hasn't proven himself to be an elite fighter. The difference between him and JMM is ring generalship. Marquez has more ring generalship than Manny. It doesn't matter how many punches you landed, it's how you control the fight.

MAB is an elite fighter, but he just doesn't match up well with some people, and his chin has been reached.

JMM: counter puncher. Manny: toe-to-toe fighter... counterpuchers usually have better ring generalship becaus they only strike when they want to... and what do you mean landed punches do not count that much? the term "outbox" is directly related to punches landed... so it shows that manny wasn't left behind that much... considering a counterpuncher in JMM...

[AIR_KENG]

I'm not discrediting Manny, I'm just not gonna put him on a pedestal just yet. I'm not even a Morales fan. I just think that this will be Manny's toughest fight; tougher than the JMM fight. If he wins, I'll give him all the credit in the world.

i agree, toughest fight on paper, but i won't say this is tougher a fight for manny that with JMM... JMM is still the toughest for manny and will always be... but if ever manny loses to erik, only then would i change my mind, hehe... but i doubt it...

[Sister Sledge]

i agree, toughest fight on paper, but i won't say this is tougher a fight for manny that with JMM... JMM is still the toughest for manny and will always be... but if ever manny loses to erik, only then would i change my mind, hehe... but i doubt it...

Hey man. At least we agree to disagree.