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  • #21
    Ricky's got some nasty tattoos. He needs to get the Celtic bands and tribal ones lasered off. The skull sleeve is an improvement by you can still all the crappy ones underneath. Damn I should buy shares in a laser removal company it's the business of the future.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by bigcursedawg View Post
      Beltran is a live dog. I'm not sure if he'll get a fair shake on the cards if its close, but Beltran is a real fighter and that's the risk real fighters take. He's also a better overall fighter than Katsidis, Moses, Mitchell, and Gonzalez IMO.



      Totally disagree. These guys has fought at a much higher level than Beltran has, and he's never even fought an A or B+ level guy before. He's beaten an obviously weight drained Lundy, who was a good talent and went on to beat Ajose, which made me respect him more than I did at the time Beltran beat him. But other than that he's lost to B- and C level opponents.

      Raymundo is a good, solid fighter. I don't think much of Burns to be honest, he's a good boxer but he lacks power and that nastiness I'm always looking for. But I think he'll take this guy on the cards.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
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        Totally disagree. These guys has fought at a much higher level than Beltran has, and he's never even fought an A or B+ level guy before. He's beaten an obviously weight drained Lundy, who was a good talent and went on to beat Ajose, which made me respect him more than I did at the time Beltran beat him. But other than that he's lost to B- and C level opponents.

        Raymundo is a good, solid fighter. I don't think much of Burns to be honest, he's a good boxer but he lacks power and that nastiness I'm always looking for. But I think he'll take this guy on the cards.
        The only guy there that's fought at a much higher level is Katsidis, and lost every time. Beltran's comp is probably better than all those other guys

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        • #24
          Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
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          Totally disagree. These guys has fought at a much higher level than Beltran has, and he's never even fought an A or B+ level guy before. He's beaten an obviously weight drained Lundy, who was a good talent and went on to beat Ajose, which made me respect him more than I did at the time Beltran beat him. But other than that he's lost to B- and C level opponents.

          Raymundo is a good, solid fighter. I don't think much of Burns to be honest, he's a good boxer but he lacks power and that nastiness I'm always looking for. But I think he'll take this guy on the cards.
          That's your take. Katsidis had fought better fighters but was not the same fighter after the beatings he took from Marquez and Guerrero. Katsidis was totally shop worn at that point. And who did Moses ever beat? He was stopped by Acosta. Gonzalez fought nothing but bums and showed that he could box a little. But he quit while he was way up and obviously isn't champion calibur. And Mitchell is a decent domestic fighter but nothing special and doesn't have a good chin.
          I don't think Lundy was drained in that fight. He isn't even big for 135 and he didn't come in dry in that fight. He lost to the better fighter that night. Lundy will get destroyed at 140. He won't beat of the top jww's.

          Beltran has solid wins over Lundy and Kim and should've got the nod over Ramos and Bogere IMO. And his other losses are early in his career. That's what happens when you don't have a lot of amateur experience and don't hav good management early in your career. Salido lost to some bums early on and was stopped, but he showed he can fight at the championship level.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by HeroBando View Post
            The only guy there that's fought at a much higher level is Katsidis, and lost every time. Beltran's comp is probably better than all those other guys
            Kevin Mitchell's comp is equal if not better than Beltrans. Moses, sure. I didn't really mean his comp of course. But Katsidis especially and Mitchell are better wins than Beltran would be, should burns beat him. Gonzales wouldn't be as good, but John Murray would be up there too. Martinez would rank higher as well.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by HeroBando View Post
              The only guy there that's fought at a much higher level is Katsidis, and lost every time. Beltran's comp is probably better than all those other guys
              Exactly. He lost to all the good fighter he faced and was ruined after the back to back beatings he took from JMM and Guerrero.
              Mitchell lost when he stepped up in class too. Stopped by Katsidis.
              Moses doesn't have any noteworthy wins.
              And Gonzalez was just another fighter with a padded record.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by bigcursedawg View Post
                That's your take. Katsidis had fought better fighters but was not the same fighter after the beatings he took from Marquez and Guerrero. Katsidis was totally shop worn at that point. And who did Moses ever beat? He was stopped by Acosta. Gonzalez fought nothing but bums and showed that he could box a little. But he quit while he was way up and obviously isn't champion calibur. And Mitchell is a decent domestic fighter but nothing special and doesn't have a good chin.
                I don't think Lundy was drained in that fight. He isn't even big for 135 and he didn't come in dry in that fight. He lost to the better fighter that night. Lundy will get destroyed at 140. He won't beat of the top jww's.

                Beltran has solid wins over Lundy and Kim and should've got the nod over Ramos and Bogere IMO. And his other losses are early in his career. That's what happens when you don't have a lot of amateur experience and don't hav good management early in your career. Salido lost to some bums early on and was stopped, but he showed he can fight at the championship level.
                That might be up to discussion, but is nevertheless a better fighter than Beltran altogether. Burns has fought at least 4-5 guys that are better than Beltran I would say, in terms of skills and accomplishments. And by the way, I didn't mean Moses and Gonzales were better than Beltran, it was more a take on Burns comp as a whole.

                I disagree. Mitchell is a good fighter and was up there in the world ranks, he's fought some solid guys and also some hard punching guys. But anyone that gets knocked out by Burns doesn't have the greatest chin, that's for sure. But Mitchell is a good little fighter.

                With regards to Lundy, he was absolutely drained or he hadn't trained properly for the fight. He had to weigh in 3-4 times before he could even make 135, so obviously we all know what he was doing the night before.

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                • #28
                  Burns actually has more power than his record suggests although I'm not sure if it'll be enough to stop Beltran. I'll say Burns on points

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                  • #29
                    I hate when fighters smile at eachother, it's a freakin fight!!!!
                    Beltran stops this guy by 9, body shot...

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