The importance of being Undefeated

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  • Doctor_Tenma
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    #11
    I respected Mares' undefeated record because he faced the best of the best, that's excluding Top Rank for obvious reasons. Before Gonzalez ended him, it was Agbeko twice, Perez (He won IMO), Darchinyan and Moreno, crazy line up. Andre Ward is another fighter worth mentioning. Same goes for Floyd currently, Mayweather has fought the best available opposition and after Canelo he's likely to face the Garcia-Matthysse winner. I don't really care for undefeated records, it does help promote fights but it's all about the level of opposition faced.

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    • SN!PER
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      #12
      I think it's much more impressive when a fighter comes back to avenge their losses as Lennox did. With that said, I was really unimpressed by how Lennox ended his career without giving Vitali the rematch he deserved.

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      • E-Thug
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        #13
        Blame Floyd Mayweather and Joe Calzaghe for marketing the 'importance' of this mythical 0. Now every fighter wants to be undefeated after watching these 2 fight shot, old men and be proclaimed as ATG's

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        • BoxingIsGreat
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          #14
          What if you are that much better against your available opposition? Floyd is. That midget was not, not even once, the betting favorite againt Floyd at any point. Check the Vegas odds. And, he run away from advanced testing.

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          • pugilistprophet1994
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            #15
            Being undefeated doesn't matter. Abner Mares is my favorite fighter, especially after Saturday, not because he was undefeated. He's my favorite because he is what we want all boxers to be, fearless, taking on all comers, exciting, and humble. He has fought top fighter after top fighter and the only reason he didn't fight certain fighters is because of the "Cold War" besides that he fought anyone. He himself didn't care about his "0" he said it numerous times. It's partly because of the fans as well though, on here posters are so quick to write off a fighter after his first loss, if everyone was undefeated we wouldn't get great fights. I can't say how many posters I saw say that "Mares sucks" or "Mares was overhyped" after he got KO'ed by Jhonny Gonzalez. Cause he lost? Really? He knocked out Ponce De Leon, beat Anselmo Moreno handily, beat Darchiniyan, etc. How does he suck? One win doesn't define you, and one loss doesn't define you.

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            • Weebler I
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              #16
              Originally posted by BoxingIsGreat
              What if you are that much better against your available opposition? Floyd is. That midget was not, not even once, the betting favorite againt Floyd at any point. Check the Vegas odds. And, he run away from advanced testing.
              It doesn't matter who is betting favourite, that doesn't give any fighter a right to duck and cherrypick.

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              • TintaBoricua
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                #17
                Originally posted by spytactics
                If you are undefeated you simply haven't fought with the best fighters in their prime
                That's a bit of a stretch. If a fighter is undefeated,
                It doesn't necessarily mean he hasn't taken fighters in their prime. Heck, Amir Khan has probably taken more dangerous opposition (for him) and yet is probably less appreciated and makes less money than someone like Floyd. It's admirable, but at the end of the day, boxing is a business, unfortunately.

                And that's not to imply that being undefeated means having gone through soft
                opposition. It elite levels, "soft opposition" for people like Floyd is Guerrero.

                And while I'm on my soapbox and talking about undefeated fighters that aren't appreciated, the prime example is Timothy Bradley. Here is a guy who got a title on the road, fought 3 undefeated fighters back to back,
                went to Top Rank to get a lucrative fight against Pacquiao (who wouldn't?), and amidst the hate went out and ****** with a puncher in his next fight despite not being a puncher.

                How can you hate the guy? He gets crucified for not fighting Amir Khan as if that eclipses all of his accomplishments.

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                • Weebler I
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by TintaBoricua
                  That's a bit of a stretch. If a fighter is undefeated, it doesn't necessarily mean he hasn't taken fighters in their prime.
                  It means they haven't consistently done so.

                  And that's not to imply that being undefeated means having gone through soft opposition. It elite levels, "soft opposition" for people like Floyd is Guerrero.
                  Right, which is where 'best available' comes in. Guerrero wasn't it.
                  Last edited by Weebler I; 08-26-2013, 12:22 PM.

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                  • MAKING_MONEY
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                    #19
                    It mean a lot to me
                    When trout lost to the face first brawler. I wasn't even ****ing with anymore but when Alexander lost to Bradley I gave kid a pass

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                    • Bermuda
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                      #20
                      losses don't mean much at the end of the day..it's all about what you accomplish in your career..that's why you see guys in the HOF (the old timers) with a bunch of losses..people don't look at their losses so much but what they achieved in the sport.

                      if this loss hasn't completely demoralized mares then he should be able to come back strong and put together some decent/respectable wins...and i'm not sure if moving down to 122 would be that great of an option since he has said before that he walks around 140-142 and even was thinking about moving to 130 in the near future...so not sure if draining himself down to 122 would help him at all...

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