Ike Williams or Floyd Mayweather: Who Rates Higher?

[GRboxing]

Ike Williams:

Wins over-

Kid Gavilan, Beau Jack (3), Sammy Angott, Tippy Larkin, Bob Montgomery, Willie Joyce, Vince Turpin

Mayweather:

Wins over Delahoya, Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Hatton, Jose L Castillo, Corrales,, Ndou, Hernandez, Manfredy


Let's hear it, and vote.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Good question,,,, Probably be better in the history section because alot of NSB posters probably have no clue who ike was,,,,

i think ike has better resume,, but honestly think floyd is the better h2h...

Ike fought alot of great fighters, and floyd has been kinda selective in opposition..

But you know how i hate comparing guys from the old school to the modern guys just because the game has changed so much....

ike def has a better resume, but i voted for floyd because i think he is a better all around fighter and will ultimately rank higher just because he was the face of boxing for his era and ike was not...

very good thread though,, im curious how iron dan and poet will say

[GRboxing]

Ike Williams sits atop a pile of lightweight as deep as any since the heyday of Joe Gans. Pinning down his absolute prime is difficult—such was Ike’s level of competition that there would always be a loss just around the corner—but he probably hit his absolute stride sometime in 1944. This was the year in which, putting his defeat by the superb Bob Montgomery in January behind him, he twice beat the equally brilliant Sammy Angott, adding scalps like Slugger White, Freddie Dawson, Enrique Bolanos and Johnny Bratton through ’46 before Gene Burton picked him off in ’47. Tippy Larkin then fell in four before he unified the title having already picked up the NBA title in ’45, all but murdering Bob Montgomery in the process. The lightweight then stepped up to do what few welterweights could do, knocked down and outpointed Kid Gavilan in a ten-round fight in February of ’48. The decision was not a popular one in every quarter, but this rather misses the point; Gavilan, whilst not primed, was on his way to becoming one of the most formidable welterweights in history. Stepping up to beat him should have been all but impossible. Dropping him in the process is a real feather in Ike’s cap.

Defenses against the outstanding Beau Jack and Jesse Flores followed before Kid Gavilan twice avenged himself giving him a total of seven defenses against as superb an array of contenders as challenged a lightweight champion. Zurita, Montgomery, Angott and Jack were fellow kings who at some stage knelt before him. On the downside, Williams dropped a four-fight series to the stiff-jabbing fleet-footed Willie Joyce who bested him during his apparent prime, revealing a surprising stylistic weakness that undermines his standing a little, and the fifties were deeply unkind to him, stealing both his title and a his air of invincibility as he boxed on beyond his prime. An excellent puncher and a superb boxer, he’s a handful for any fighter you care to name weighing in at or below 140 pounds and was the definitive lightweight from an era that would have given up more names to this list were it 120 place long rather than 100.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Do you think ike would beat floyd?????

ike def has a better resume...

but what about H2H....

Actually thinking about it,, ike may castillo floyd

[GRboxing]

Do you think ike would beat floyd?????

ike def has a better resume...

but what about H2H....

Actually thinking about it,, ike may castillo floyd

Saddler would've given Floyd hell. Williams was a huge Lightweight and nearly killed ATG Jack.


http://********/OBIs09wpbIw?t=5m38s Awful stoppage too

[GRboxing]

Wow. And this is the biggest Boxing forum on the net? LMAO

[therealpugilist]

Ike Williams has a better names on the top of his resume(Kid Gavilan although he wasnt the force he was in the early 1950's, Beau Jack, Tippy Larkin, Sammy Angott, and Bob Montgomery)...its hard to compare era's considering some are deeper than others...Although he has just 44 fights Mayweather has more depth and quantity of ranked guys and championship fights which is a big feat considering how many fights Williams had.

Head to Head Mayweather would have defeated Williams, who was a great all-arounder and had a stiff punch but he could be outboxed or outworked/outmuscled by the right guy. Mayweather never had trouble with taller fighters outside of an 8-4 type fight with ODLH Mayweather dominated guys 5'9" and up like Chicanto Hernandez, Philip Ndo, and Diego Corrales.

Taking NOthing away from Williams competition but Jose Luis Castillo
(BEST lightweight of the 2000's) and Corrales(huge heart and hardest puncher of the 2000s lightweights) would have done well in that era and defeated some of the men he had defeated IMO and Mayweather defeated both men.


I chose Mayweather, no disrespect to Williams his resume is top heavy but when you add in the Mayweather lineal at 130, 135, and 147 and has shown he is world class at 154 he edges Williams who took care of himseld well at higher weights but didnt have the success Mayweather did.

[GRboxing]

Ike Williams has a better names on the top of his resume(Kid Gavilan although he wasnt the force he was in the early 1950's, Beau Jack, Tippy Larkin, Sammy Angott, and Bob Montgomery)...its hard to compare era's considering some are deeper than others...Although he has just 44 fights Mayweather has more depth and quantity of ranked guys and championship fights which is a big feat considering how many fights Williams had.

Head to Head Mayweather would have defeated Williams, who was a great all-arounder and had a stiff punch but he could be outboxed or outworked/outmuscled by the right guy. Mayweather never had trouble with taller fighters outside of an 8-4 type fight with ODLH Mayweather dominated guys 5'9" and up like Chicanto Hernandez, Philip Ndo, and Diego Corrales.

Taking NOthing away from Williams competition but Jose Luis Castillo
(BEST lightweight of the 2000's) and Corrales(huge heart and hardest puncher of the 2000s lightweights) would have done well in that era and defeated some of the men he had defeated IMO and Mayweather defeated both men.


I chose Mayweather, no disrespect to Williams his resume is top heavy but when you add in the Mayweather lineal at 130, 135, and 147 and has shown he is world class at 154 he edges Williams who took care of himseld well at higher weights but didnt have the success Mayweather did.

Good luck trying to get Castillo and Corrales to weigh 135 on same day weigh ins.

[therealpugilist]

Saddler would've given Floyd hell. Williams was a huge Lightweight and nearly killed ATG Jack.


http://********/OBIs09wpbIw?t=5m38s Awful stoppage too

Beau Jack was a great lightweight for his time, but very easy to hit...he was busy, had a decent punch, a good chin in his prime, but could be outboxed. Saddler was a GREAT, GREAT fighter but i disagree about him giving Floyd hell.

Fighters like Duran, Arquello, and Chavez would have given him better fights because they had power, great chins, stamina, and underrated defensive skills. Saddler was ponderous, wide open to be hit, dirty and fairly predictable. His claim to fame was beating a post plane crash Pep while still great wasnt the same.

People will bring up the first fight with Castillo but Consider Castillo was a welterweight fight night...Mayweather was injured, and also stylistically Castillo had a better jab and defense than Saddler...Saddler was a harder puncher and rougher fighter though both could be a little dirty.

IMO Mayweather would have boxed Saddler's ears off while trading low blows, elbows, and getting counterpunched on regularity, eating jabs to the body and counter rights over his low left hand.

[therealpugilist]

Good luck trying to get Castillo and Corrales to weigh 135 on same day weigh ins.

agreed...thats why its hard to compare era's. Mayweather is one of the rare modern fighters that would have had no trouble in same day weigh-ins because of his discipline year round