Will you recognize the winners on Sept14 as lineal champions?

[TBear]

There once was a time when a fighter only became the "lineal" champion by either beating the lineal champion or unifying all the titles so it is undisputed.
That shouldn't change.

Mayweather won the lineal welterweight title by beating Baldomir, who beat Judah, who beat C. Spinks etc. At one time all the titles were unified and undisputed.

However neither Alvarez nor Mayweather should be considered lineal light middleweight champ after the fight even if they are considered the best at the weight.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Sadly lineal titles dont mean much anymore with the abundance of catchweights, fighters moving classes, rarity of top fighters facing off, TR v GB, etc.

its hard enough to get a true champion in each class.

[yaltamaltadavid]

It's hard to argue that Matthysse and Garcia aren't the top ranked fighters at 140, but because Mayweather only has one recent win at 154 he shouldn't necessarily be ranked number 1 so you can't clearly say the Canelo fight should crown a true champion.

I've thought a lot about this lately. How can we establish a new legit champion if the number 1 and 2 rankings are only decided by journalists pulling names out of their ass?

But I've proposed a solution. Check out my thread about a points ranking system for boxing and let me know what you think...

[Bermuda]

at 140 - yes....at 154 - no...canelo only beat trout who beat cotto who barely beat anyone of note at 154...and floyd only beat cotto...

it's a joke that canelo even has the ring belt to begin with...

[ModernTalking]

154 champ fighting 154 champ at 152 for the lineal champ...only in the *****s world.

[Outwest Exp 355]

Four the past 4 years Pac fans have been trying to convince us the catch weight thing didn't matter. Now it's the be all end all? LOL Mayweather could turn Mother Teresa in to a hypocrite.

[FerFal'sStepDad]

Personally, I don't give shet about belts. That is some WWF shet. "Hulk Hogan, I have your belt..."

I like to see 2 guys fight. I don't get all caught up in lineal this and that. Each fight on its own, is what it is all about. Pure fight no ***elry needed.

Think about it... A guy could beat the guy who beat the guy, grab the belt and STILL not be able to beat the guy that the guy he beat, beat...


again, I enjoy the fight itself based on the 2 fighters. We could have Garcia VS Lucas with NO belts on the line and it would STILL be the fight it is going to be.


WWF is not something I watched as a kid so I don't get happy when I see corny big ass gold-plated belts.

[Kagami Taiga]

140 lineal title is vacant, will be established on September 14th yes. No doubt.

154 lineage is a lot weaker, as theres not really been many matchups at the weight, but it is no.1 v no.2 so yes that fight will fill another vacant title. The 154 lineage will have an * next to it, reading "Established at 152 catchweight" making it lose lustre.

Theres actually not that many lineal titles out there today, here are the current ones:

175 - Stevenson (from Dawson)
168 - Ward (Vacant for Froch v Ward)
160 - Martinez (from Pavlik)
122 - Rigondeaux (from Donaire)
112 - Yaegashi (from Igarashi)

Other lineages are disputed, and thus aren't universal. Big example is Wladimir Klitschko - did Chagaev rank over Vitali? Also Floyd, whilst was the lineal 147 champion, retired it, and Mosely/Pacquiao had no clear rank over eachother. Good to see more lineal champs up and coming. Shows you just how bad the RING belt has gotten

Well Floyd is the lineal champ at 147 I don't think it is disputed at all. He got it when he beat mosely, who was lineal after his win over margarito. That was the two best fighters in the division at the time fighting. Floyd has been lineal since then. PAC has no role in this since he wasn't in the division when it happened. Which is why Floyd is almost universally accepted as lineal champ

[DoktorSleepless]

The lineage of the winner of Mayweather/Canelo would be the guy who beat the guy who beat the guy who beat p4p king Yuri Foreman.

[FerFal'sStepDad]

It's a fckin fight between to fighters that we all want to see go toe to toe. THAT alone is the shizzit. I don't get this extra shet with belts and "calling out" fighters. Seems like some soap opera type shet. Like some gossipy type shet... "Oh, so and so called out so and so and like his shiny belt so, so and so said if you like my shiny belt then... come see me and then... he got mad and then... he threw the microphone down and looked cool and then...



This is a man sport. Let the men fight.

"Hey kids, I am a lineal champ!"


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