5 keys to defeating Floyd Mayweather: A 17 year study

[jvsnypes]

Zab Judah had the physical tools to beat Floyd, but just didn't have the discipline or focus. Shane had the speed and power, but not the smarts or stamina. Anyone who can match his hand speed will give him problems, but they still have to be smart and mix their attack up. The only guys I see giving Floyd trouble at this stage is Amir Khan and Devon Alexander. They both would force Floyd to change up his style and become the aggressor. But in saying that, neither have the mental toughness necessary to carry out their game plan for all 12 rounds.

[paulf]

Since when were Paul Williams, prime Cotto, Pacauiao, Margarito, Casamayor, Freitas, prime Shane, Kostya couch warriors?

You guys that keep saying, "easier said than done" are being absolutely delusional.

Floyd could've "easily" proven how great he was against PRIME elite fighters, but he didn't.

You know what's delusional? Picking every fighter you can think of that didn't fight against Floyd and suggesting Floyd ducked them all.

Do you not remember Mosley saying he wasn't going to fight Floyd because his teeth were bothering him?

Or TR ending negotiations for Pac-Mayweather because Pacquiao refused to take random drug testing?

And did you really just have the audacity to mention Kostya Tszyu??? For ****s sake, man.

"I would love to fight Kostya Tszyu” Mayweather said. “If the money's right, I'll go to Russia to fight him. I just want to show I'm the best. But with HBO and Showtime, I know it's going to be hard to make the fight."

Mayweather’s first order of business is a June pay-per-view fight with Gatti, which is a long, long way from a done deal.

He would like Tszyu after that, unless Oscar De La Hoya wants to rumble. Mayweather still craves that fight, though De La Hoya consistently has remained three weight divisions heavier. But if De La Hoya drops back to welterweight as advertised, they will be separated by just one division and seven pounds.

A few months later, Tszyu lost to Hatton. Floyd fought Hatton, who beat Tszyu, after Gatti and DLH, just as it said in the article. Would you have preferred he fought Tszyu, so you could say he ducked Hatton?

Your ****in logic kills me, man.

[MindBat]

Zab Judah had the physical tools to beat Floyd, but just didn't have the discipline or focus. Shane had the speed and power, but not the smarts or stamina. Anyone who can match his hand speed will give him problems, but they still have to be smart and mix their attack up. The only guys I see giving Floyd trouble at this stage is Amir Khan and Devon Alexander. They both would force Floyd to change up his style and become the aggressor. But in saying that, neither have the mental toughness necessary to carry out their game plan for all 12 rounds.

So in essence, Floyd has to fight Floyd to beat Floyd.


The End.




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[sbbigmike]

I have been watching boxing on the regular for as long as I can remember...Im 28 born in 1985 and remember watching fights on USA, CBS, NBC and exam the sport as closely as avid NBA and NFL fans. All fighters have weaknesses and through my experiences as a novice trainer, a former amatuer boxer, and a hard core boxing fan I have noticed for years that the few mistakes Mayweather makes no one capitalizes enough to actually defeat him.

Mayweather is one of those guys so gifted that in order for him to legitimately loose, no DQ or BS like that he will have to get KTFO like Roy Jones did.

1) Stick the jab with variety...Throw one jab at a time and not bringing it back fast enough makes you a sucker for the pull counter and a parried jab/straight right counter. Changing the speed, and angle of the the jab will make him think and keep him on his toes

2) Punch with him...when he throws rights to the head and body he sticks his chin out.....When a FIGHTER is the faster fighter his opponents often wait til he is done throwing and lose the opportunity to catch him because of his speed, reflexes and defenses. every fighter is vulnerable to being hit when throwing their own punches.

3) When Floyd throws his right hand to the body and to the head he sticks his chin and head up....Zab Judah dropped him unoffically with a counter right hook...Also Corley, Castillo, and others capitalized when he lift his chin when he throws his right hand shots....COUNTER HIS RIGHT TO THE BODY WITH A RIGHT UPPERCUT OR LEFT HOOK TO THE HEAD OR BODY IF ORTHODOX FIGHTER

3) Fighting one style wont do it...variety...although he is known as a pure boxer in most fights he utilizes several styles...i would advise my fighter do the same thing and figure out which area he has an advantage whether the inside, outside, mid range, counter punching or brawling.....dont depend on this advantage because Mayweather is one of the most adaptable fighters ever and repitition doing the same thing, will have your guy figured out in 3 rounds or less.

4) Take away his jab and counter to the body....Jab with him, counter him whether to the head or body...the is gonna land some but its better than getting hit with power shots....taking away the jab disrrupts any fighters rhythm and he would depend on lead rights and left hooks which are easier to counter than the jab


5) Mix the attack to the head and the body..."Like I said Before..." pun intended Floyd is quick minded, variety is key to the attack....dont stick to one combo or one counter he will figure it out and counter you

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All fails hope for that once in a lifetime punch cause winning a 12 round decision I dont see that happening unless he declines at a faster rate or his body breaks down

Trying to counter the straight to the stomach is what he wants, his reach would allow he to see it from a mile away, and keep out of trouble, there is a reason world class fighters just sit there and take that heavy shot, try a counter you'll eat a left hook or upper, the left hand which is Floyds heavy hand. He usually only does the stomach straight vs southpaws, vs not only a flat footed but cement foot fighter in Canelo epect the head jab, and then the changing levels with the body jab to fold him when he tries to forward sapping that stamina early, expect the jab to flow, up and down........


But watching Floyd all my life the key to beat Floyd is to run move and box, and counter that frustrates him like in the Cotto match when he said that motherf'er running and decided to sit on the ropes for his counters, early on Zab with his counters made Floyd get reckless until he upped the workrate, cutoff the ring and beat on him until he didnt want to counter anymore, augustus also touched Floyd a lot with counters and brought out the wildness in Floyd. Floyd is a boxer puncher greatly disguised as a counter puncher, he just have the GOAT defense to boot. Coming forward is exactly what he wants, while he gives the illusion that he's running and counter punching, he hitting you with whatever he wants to throw when he decides to throw, slicing you up, displaying staggering offensive compuboxs numbers. The key is to move box, counter, frustrate him and make him get reckless, the issue is when Floyd is frustrated he ups his work rate greatly and force you out of that strategy quick, not to mention he still have that GOAT defense

[mconstantine]

The thread starter sounds a lot like this guy...

[sbbigmike]

Zab Judah had the physical tools to beat Floyd, but just didn't have the discipline or focus. Shane had the speed and power, but not the smarts or stamina. Anyone who can match his hand speed will give him problems, but they still have to be smart and mix their attack up. The only guys I see giving Floyd trouble at this stage is Amir Khan and Devon Alexander. They both would force Floyd to change up his style and become the aggressor. But in saying that, neither have the mental toughness necessary to carry out their game plan for all 12 rounds.

In the matches Floyd struggled, he wasn't facing blazing fast guys, .................

[The Big Dunn]

I have been watching boxing on the regular for as long as I can remember...Im 28 born in 1985 and remember watching fights on USA, CBS, NBC and exam the sport as closely as avid NBA and NFL fans. All fighters have weaknesses and through my experiences as a novice trainer, a former amatuer boxer, and a hard core boxing fan I have noticed for years that the few mistakes Mayweather makes no one capitalizes enough to actually defeat him.

Mayweather is one of those guys so gifted that in order for him to legitimately loose, no DQ or BS like that he will have to get KTFO like Roy Jones did.

1) Stick the jab with variety...Throw one jab at a time and not bringing it back fast enough makes you a sucker for the pull counter and a parried jab/straight right counter. Changing the speed, and angle of the the jab will make him think and keep him on his toes

2) Punch with him...when he throws rights to the head and body he sticks his chin out.....When a FIGHTER is the faster fighter his opponents often wait til he is done throwing and lose the opportunity to catch him because of his speed, reflexes and defenses. every fighter is vulnerable to being hit when throwing their own punches.

3) When Floyd throws his right hand to the body and to the head he sticks his chin and head up....Zab Judah dropped him unoffically with a counter right hook...Also Corley, Castillo, and others capitalized when he lift his chin when he throws his right hand shots....COUNTER HIS RIGHT TO THE BODY WITH A RIGHT UPPERCUT OR LEFT HOOK TO THE HEAD OR BODY IF ORTHODOX FIGHTER

3) Fighting one style wont do it...variety...although he is known as a pure boxer in most fights he utilizes several styles...i would advise my fighter do the same thing and figure out which area he has an advantage whether the inside, outside, mid range, counter punching or brawling.....dont depend on this advantage because Mayweather is one of the most adaptable fighters ever and repitition doing the same thing, will have your guy figured out in 3 rounds or less.

4) Take away his jab and counter to the body....Jab with him, counter him whether to the head or body...the is gonna land some but its better than getting hit with power shots....taking away the jab disrrupts any fighters rhythm and he would depend on lead rights and left hooks which are easier to counter than the jab


5) Mix the attack to the head and the body..."Like I said Before..." pun intended Floyd is quick minded, variety is key to the attack....dont stick to one combo or one counter he will figure it out and counter you

All fails hope for that once in a lifetime punch cause winning a 12 round decision I dont see that happening unless he declines at a faster rate or his body breaks down

I think you made some very good points, especially the bolded. Thats one reason why I think a sweet pea or meldrick taylor would have far more success vs floyd than say Duran, even though Duran is better than both.

The other type I agree would give floyd problems are heavier fighters whose reach are longer and who fight on the outside. A Paul WIlliams has longer reach but doesn't fight like he does. A Hearns or a Vernon Forrest would be difficult.

I think the difference between floyd and roy is athleticism and ring IQ. Once roy's athleticism went he was always going to be in trouble. Floyd is more skilled, especially defensively (not implying roy isn't skilled) and should be able to survive a little longer, like Sweet Pea.

[straightleft]

Wouldn't happen since ost would prevent juiceman from taking the fight. Funny how you tards keep saying PAC when y'all and himself didnt want the fight bc of testing

You didn't get it do you? The mere mention of Pacquiao's name in Floyd present is more than enough to disrupt his focus and sends his brain cells go haywire. . What more if you put Pac near at his corner during the Canelo fight?

[pbftxrs316]

He doesn't have to be hurt to implement the game plan though

i agree assuming you're talking about his opponent implementing it but it sure is better if he is.lol.

much easier anyway if that counts for anything.

[dc3383]

To beat Floyd you better be in the mold of Ray Robinson or Tommy Hearns and the people who they say he was ducking are no where close to that mold.