If Bernard Hopkins is still defying time and has anything left...

[AztecWanker]

Don't be silly. Terrible is Peter Manfredo and the likes. Cloud is a tough fighter, excellent chin, good power, good jab when he uses it etc. One dimensional is the perfect way to desrcibe him. Any type of movement and he'll struggle. But terrible? No way. He's fundamentals are good, he throws crisp accurate shots. He's not some sloppy idiot. He just only knows how to fight one way and doesn't know how to deal with movement i.e one dimensional.

He ****ing sucks, man.

[IronDanHamza]

Don't be silly. Terrible is Peter Manfredo and the likes. Cloud is a tough fighter, excellent chin, good power, good jab when he uses it etc. One dimensional is the perfect way to desrcibe him. Any type of movement and he'll struggle. But terrible? No way. He's fundamentals are good, he throws crisp accurate shots. He's not some sloppy idiot. He just only knows how to fight one way and doesn't know how to deal with movement i.e one dimensional.

I'm talking "Champions". Cloud is terrible.

I am struggling very badly to think of a worse Champion in recent memory than Cloud that includes Baldomir, Richie Woodhall, K9 Bundrage, etc.

Cloud doesn't have good power. He is not a hard puncher unless he's fighting a complete bum and even when he does fight a complete bum with average-terrible chins like Campillo (Not a bum) and Mack he doesn't even squash them. That's not a hard puncher.

@ his jab.

@ decribing Cloud as accurate and crisp.

Cloud is none of these things. He's one of the most limited fighters in the sport, he can't cut off the ring, he's slow, he doesn't punch very hard, he's engine isn't great. Has no inside game what so ever. He follows you around and if you're ok he will struggle and if you're a bum he will fall over and Lord help me if you're good, if you're good you're winning or getting robbed. The only thing he has is a good chin.

He's like a worse version of Jeff Lacy.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Hopkins would UD him with ease. That style will never beat Hopkins.

[ИATAS]

I'm talking "Champions". Cloud is terrible.

I am struggling very badly to think of a worse Champion in recent memory than Cloud that includes Baldomir, Richie Woodhall, K9 Bundrage, etc.

Cloud doesn't have good power. He is not a hard puncher unless he's fighting a complete bum and even when he does fight a complete bum with average-terrible chins like Campillo (Not a bum) and Mack he doesn't even squash them. That's not a hard puncher.

@ his jab.

@ decribing Cloud as accurate and crisp.

Cloud is none of these things. He's one of the most limited fighters in the sport, he can't cut off the ring, he's slow, he doesn't punch very hard, he's engine isn't great. Has no inside game what so ever. He follows you around and if you're ok he will struggle and if you're a bum he will fall over and Lord help me if you're good, if you're good you're winning or getting robbed. The only thing he has is a good chin.

He's like a worse version of Jeff Lacy.

You're tellimg me K9 is better lol @ that. Shuminov? Danny Green? Jesus Bibiano? Stop exaggerating. Yes he does throw crisp hard shots and if he has no power how did he hurt Glen Johnson who almost never gets hurt? Riddle me that batman. The dude obviously has heavy hands. KO artist, no, but he hurts people without question. Like I said one dimensional. He cannot beat skilled boxers.

[IronDanHamza]

You're tellimg me K9 is better lol @ that. Yes he does throw crisp hard shots and if he has no power how did he hurt Glen Johnson who almost never gets hurt? Riddle me that batman. The dude obviously has heavy hands. KO artist, no, but he hurts people without question. Like I said one dimensional. He cannot beat skilled boxers.

K9 is awful but he is certainly better than Cloud. Like I said, I can't think of a Champion in recent history who is worse.

Ok, Cloud might have George Groves power Infact no, he doesn't.

If you're a hard puncher, it doesn't take you 8 rounds to knock out Yusuf Mack. It's really that simple. Cloud's not a hard puncher. He's done nothing to suggest it outside of stunning Glen Johnson.

Has Cloud hurt any top fighter other than momentarily with Johnson? I don't think he has.

Cloud not only can't beat skilled boxers he can't beat anyone in general who is good because he's that bad.

He might beat Stevenson, that should be good. They should label that fight "The fight to crown the worst Lineal Champion since Baldomir".

[ИATAS]

K9 is awful but he is certainly better than Cloud. Like I said, I can't think of a Champion in recent history who is worse.

Then ur not thinking very hard. Shuminov? Danny Green? Jesus Bibiano? Valuev?

Ok, Cloud might have George Groves power Infact no, he doesn't.

If you're a hard puncher, it doesn't take you 8 rounds to knock out Yusuf Mack. It's really that simple. Cloud's not a hard puncher. He's done nothing to suggest it outside of stunning Glen Johnson.

The moment he landed on Mack he went down obviously Mack was boxing and staying away until he got hit clean and it was over. Hurting Glen Johnson is all the proof you need no one hurts Johnson.

[soul_survivor]

Look Hopkins is one of favorites, a prime Hopkins was as fun to watch as any other fighter but I think people have too much faith in him. His workrate against Cloud was horrible despite his dominance, I can't see him winning this at this stage, I really can't. People are still underrating Kovalev......

Agreed on all points, Kov is a real power puncher add his handspeed and he has REAL chance of hurting Hopkins, something which has never really happened in his entire career.

Yes Hopkins beat Cloud but Cloud is slow and plodding and Hopkins wasn't all that convincing, people are forgetting that Hopkins is on his very last legs, any of his next fights against legit opponents may be his last.

[$Bullsfam$]

He will trouble Kovalev but he will be the first fight he's fought in a while that can cutt off the ring effective and has concussive power.

But I agree that Hopkins will always do well against that kind of style but Kovalev will push him and is definitely able to beat him IMO.

If I was Kovalev I would stay away from Hopkins though.

This or wait to fight the winner of cloud stevenson because after Murat if Kovalev fights that winner then Hopkins doesnt really have anybody to fight besides the Pascal-Bute winner and maybe be forced to sit on the sidelines and watch how it plays out


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[IronDanHamza]

Then ur not thinking very hard. Shuminov? Danny Green? Jesus Bibiano? Valuev?



The moment he landed on Mack he went down obviously Mack was boxing and staying away until he got hit clean and it was over. Hurting Glen Johnson is all the proof you need no one hurts Johnson.

He's at bad as all of those fighters if not worse.

Who is Jesus Bibiano and what title did he hold?

Bull****. He was landing on Mack, he was struggling with Mack which is hilarious and a testamant to how terrible he is but he was landing and he wasn't hurting him because he simply does not punch very hard.

He has decent power at very best, he landed a good shot on Johnson, more of a one off to be honest. He's never hurt anyone else on the top level.

Took him 8 rounds to get Yusuf Mack out of there

And Johnson isn't as difficult to buzz in his later years.

[US Dirk Killer]

hr dodged a bullet with cleverly taking him up