Is PBF ATG? 10 best wins

[A_Jeffrey]

Not in that particular order.

DLH - Oscar was old and Pac demolished him easily. Just went though him like knife goes through butter. Mayweather went life and death with him and won only when DLH got tired and stopped jabbing in the last couple of rounds. So so win.

Juda - ok win, but beating Juda doesn't make you an ATG - light welterweight

Hatton - good fighter, but again, not great. B+ maybe, also fought at light welterweight mostly.

Baldomir - Baldomir is ok fighter, pretty limited, B fighter at best.

Mitchell - eh, not that good, was KOed by Zoo and Williams

Corrales - very good fighter, but a super feather weight. It same as Vitaly defeating Gomez or Adamek, pretty much.

Mosley - even though he was very very old, Shane got PBF in the first and if he was 50 years younger Floyd would have been KOed. Great job for a defensive wizard and the best defensive fighter of this generation. Getting almost KOed against old man 10 years past his prime.

Gatti - beating Gatti doesn't make you an ATG.

Cotto - was shot and got destoyed by Paquiao. Lost to Trout. ATG win for Floyd though lol

Marquez - was coming up in weight for the fist time and didn't adjust yet, and PBF didn't even make the limit.

No great wins. Pretty weak 10 best wins for so called ATG. Mostly old guys and lightweights. He didn't beat any good bigger guys at all.

He did beat a lot of super feather weights, but did not that well in a big leagues. Is Rigo ATG? he can't even get HBO deal.

People PBF could have fought to become ATG, but avoided to save his 0:
Paul Williams, Pac, Prime Cotto, younger Mosley, Margarito, Martinez at 154, GGG at 154.

Great fighter? no, good fighter? yes.
Not in the same league as Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Sweet Pea, Hagler. Floyd would probably avoid them like he avoided Pac.

[chocolate]

Diego Corrales was a massive superfeatherweight and is 5'11 and always looked zombified ghost like at the weigh ins struggling to make the weight , while Floyd is about 5'8 so it was not really comparable to Mayweather being this Vitali Klitschko big man and Corrales being this Tomasz Adamek cruiserweight, makes no sense.

[Kagami Taiga]

Not in that particular order.

DLH - Oscar was old and Pac demolished him easily. Just went though him like knife goes through butter. Mayweather went life and death with him and won only when DLH got tired and stopped jabbing in the last couple of rounds. So so win.

Juda - ok win, but beating Juda doesn't make you an ATG - light welterweight

Hatton - good fighter, but again, not great. B+ maybe, also fought at light welterweight mostly.

Baldomir - Baldomir is ok fighter, pretty limited, B fighter at best.

Mitchell - eh, not that good, was KOed by Zoo and Williams

Corrales - very good fighter, but a super feather weight. It same as Vitaly defeating Gomez or Adamek, pretty much.

Mosley - even though he was very very old, Shane got PBF in the first and if he was 50 years younger Floyd would have been KOed. Great job for a defensive wizard and the best defensive fighter of this generation. Getting almost KOed against old man 10 years past his prime.

Gatti - beating Gatti doesn't make you an ATG.

Cotto - was shot and got destoyed by Paquiao. Lost to Trout. ATG win for Floyd though lol

Marquez - was coming up in weight for the fist time and didn't adjust yet, and PBF didn't even make the limit.

No great wins. Pretty weak 10 best wins for so called ATG. Mostly old guys and lightweights. He didn't beat any good bigger guys at all.

He did beat a lot of super feather weights, but did not that well in a big leagues. Is Rigo ATG? he can't even get HBO deal.

People PBF could have fought to become ATG, but avoided to save his 0:
Paul Williams, Pac, Prime Cotto, younger Mosley, Margarito, Martinez at 154, GGG at 154.

Great fighter? no, good fighter? yes.
Not in the same league as Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Sweet Pea, Hagler. Floyd would probably avoid them like he avoided Pac.

Wtf are u talking about?

[Verstyle]

Floyd is easily an ATG..knocking on top 20 status,how is this even up for debate?

Floyd
Manny
Hopkins

are 3 active fighters who are are certified ATG'S

[A_Jeffrey]

Floyd is easily an ATG..knocking on top 20 status,how is this even up for debate?

Floyd
Manny
Hopkins

are 3 active fighters who are are certified ATG'S

Hopkins has good victories, Manny has good victories, Floyd doesn't.

He beat nobody. Only old ppl and feather weights.
His record is fabricated. How is he easily ATG? Who else, Brian Nielsen is ATG too? lol
His fans say he is ATG, but look at his top 10 wins. That's pathetic. John Ruiz has better resume.
Floyd is solid, but not great at all.

[ElMeroChingon]

Not in that particular order.

DLH - Oscar was old and Pac demolished him easily. Just went though him like knife goes through butter. Mayweather went life and death with him and won only when DLH got tired and stopped jabbing in the last couple of rounds. So so win.

Juda - ok win, but beating Juda doesn't make you an ATG - light welterweight

Hatton - good fighter, but again, not great. B+ maybe, also fought at light welterweight mostly.

Baldomir - Baldomir is ok fighter, pretty limited, B fighter at best.

Mitchell - eh, not that good, was KOed by Zoo and Williams

Corrales - very good fighter, but a super feather weight. It same as Vitaly defeating Gomez or Adamek, pretty much.

Mosley - even though he was very very old, Shane got PBF in the first and if he was 50 years younger Floyd would have been KOed. Great job for a defensive wizard and the best defensive fighter of this generation. Getting almost KOed against old man 10 years past his prime.

Gatti - beating Gatti doesn't make you an ATG.

Cotto - was shot and got destoyed by Paquiao. Lost to Trout. ATG win for Floyd though lol

Marquez - was coming up in weight for the fist time and didn't adjust yet, and PBF didn't even make the limit.

No great wins. Pretty weak 10 best wins for so called ATG. Mostly old guys and lightweights. He didn't beat any good bigger guys at all.

He did beat a lot of super feather weights, but did not that well in a big leagues. Is Rigo ATG? he can't even get HBO deal.

People PBF could have fought to become ATG, but avoided to save his 0:
Paul Williams, Pac, Prime Cotto, younger Mosley, Margarito, Martinez at 154, GGG at 154.

Great fighter? no, good fighter? yes.
Not in the same league as Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Sweet Pea, Hagler. Floyd would probably avoid them like he avoided Pac.

I rank Pacquiao higher than Floyd, everyone like to hate on Manny, but he's achieved more in the sport, his legacy is set in stone.

[A_Jeffrey]

Who did Mayweather beat to become ATG? 50 year old Shane Mosley? lol

[soul_survivor]

Not in that particular order.

DLH - Oscar was old and Pac demolished him easily. Just went though him like knife goes through butter. Mayweather went life and death with him and won only when DLH got tired and stopped jabbing in the last couple of rounds. So so win.

Juda - ok win, but beating Juda doesn't make you an ATG - light welterweight

Hatton - good fighter, but again, not great. B+ maybe, also fought at light welterweight mostly.

Baldomir - Baldomir is ok fighter, pretty limited, B fighter at best.

Mitchell - eh, not that good, was KOed by Zoo and Williams

Corrales - very good fighter, but a super feather weight. It same as Vitaly defeating Gomez or Adamek, pretty much.

Mosley - even though he was very very old, Shane got PBF in the first and if he was 50 years younger Floyd would have been KOed. Great job for a defensive wizard and the best defensive fighter of this generation. Getting almost KOed against old man 10 years past his prime.

Gatti - beating Gatti doesn't make you an ATG.

Cotto - was shot and got destoyed by Paquiao. Lost to Trout. ATG win for Floyd though lol

Marquez - was coming up in weight for the fist time and didn't adjust yet, and PBF didn't even make the limit.

No great wins. Pretty weak 10 best wins for so called ATG. Mostly old guys and lightweights. He didn't beat any good bigger guys at all.

He did beat a lot of super feather weights, but did not that well in a big leagues. Is Rigo ATG? he can't even get HBO deal.

People PBF could have fought to become ATG, but avoided to save his 0:
Paul Williams, Pac, Prime Cotto, younger Mosley, Margarito, Martinez at 154, GGG at 154.

Great fighter? no, good fighter? yes.
Not in the same league as Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Sweet Pea, Hagler. Floyd would probably avoid them like he avoided Pac.

Everyone knows I'm not a massive Floyd fan, haven't liked him for a while now and I do believe he has ducked a number of fighters but your assessment of his best wins are a bit off.

The DLH win, very close fight but was impressive considering DLH was fighting at 154, something he was always more comfortable at then 147.

Cotto wasn't shot, I still think he was a legit champion at 154 although he wasn't as good as he had been 3-4 years earlier, Floyd had a tough time with him but got another good win.

I can't really defend him fighting the likes of Baldomir, Guerrero or Ortiz. I know those names aren't listed on your list but still, Corrales and Mitchell were both good fighters close to their best at the time BUT they weren't tremendously good.

That's what Floyd's resume is, filled with the odd elite fighter and a tonne of decent level opposition. What makes him great isn't resume alone but the fact that he is supremely gifted, very good speed and reflexes and heaps load of skill. Definitely the most skilled counter puncher over the last 15 years or so.

A top 50 ATG for sure, no higher than 40 IMO.

Manny and Hopkins are guys who should make it into any and every bodies top 20 though and that's the difference between my opinion of Floyd and the two other ATG fighters of his generation.

[ElMeroChingon]

Everyone knows I'm not a massive Floyd fan, haven't liked him for a while now and I do believe he has ducked a number of fighters but your assessment of his best wins are a bit off.

The DLH win, very close fight but was impressive considering DLH was fighting at 154, something he was always more comfortable at then 147.

Cotto wasn't shot, I still think he was a legit champion at 154 although he wasn't as good as he had been 3-4 years earlier, Floyd had a tough time with him but got another good win.

I can't really defend him fighting the likes of Baldomir, Guerrero or Ortiz. I know those names aren't listed on your list but still, Corrales and Mitchell were both good fighters close to their best at the time BUT they weren't tremendously good.

That's what Floyd's resume is, filled with the odd elite fighter and a tonne of decent level opposition. What makes him great isn't resume alone but the fact that he is supremely gifted, very good speed and reflexes and heaps load of skill. Definitely the most skilled counter puncher over the last 15 years or so.

A top 50 ATG for sure, no higher than 40 IMO.

Manny and Hopkins are guys who should make it into any and every bodies top 20 though and that's the difference between my opinion of Floyd and the two other ATG fighters of his generation.

Really? The brutal beating he suffered against Margarito, then Pacquiao, were just beatings to shake off the rust for his Primed self........LOL

[soul_survivor]

Really? The brutal beating he suffered against Margarito, then Pacquiao, were just beatings to shake off the rust for his Primed self........LOL

I never said he was prime, not being shot does NOT equal prime. Cotto was att he time the best LMW on the planet, who was better? A pre-Trout Canelo? a pre-Cotto Trout? na man, be real.

Cotto was post-peak and on the wrong side of 30 but he wasn't shot, a shot fighter is what we saw Spinks fight in Ali, or Leonard and Norris or Benn and Calzaghe, those were shot fighters. Cotto still had some gas left in him and he gave Floyd a hell of a fight.