Not a Pacquaio fan but he is becoming very underrated...

[RawDawgHasSpokn]

The title of this thread is misleading. You are most undoubtedly a Pacquiao fan. No matter how many times this gets brought up, people go 100% for Pac or 100% for Mayweather. It's sickening really. The fight won't get made, move on.

[straightleft]

I agree they cant be duplicated because nobody will get away with the special rules ever again , the made to order opponents coming off their biggest loses , Manny cant even do it now that's why he cant even fight a WW because its too much of a risk , Roach said himself "we chose Rios to make Manny look good "

Rios has never been at 147 and never been with a Sth paw

That's a prime cherry pick kid .

OMG you are really ******. Tell us how many former minimunweight (105) do you know who fought up to Super Featherweight catchweight or not? If you can't mention even one how will you answer if we go even further by asking you... How many former minimunweight (105) do you know who fought up to light middleweight catchweight or not? Pac fighting at Super Featherweight even if he lost was already a great achievement if you think of what weight class he started.

A former minimum fighter fought a catchweight at light middleweight. This floydiot: Pac is overrated and disgrace to the sport of boxing.

A 2 times champion at light middleweight asked a catchweight fight in light middleweight. This floydiot: Floyd is great!

See the big difference here idiot? Sometimes you should remove those Floyd cums covering your eyes and don't let it dry so you can see clearly.

[#1Assassin]

he is mainstream. whenever a fighter reaches that status some hate on him and underrate him while others get all on his nuts and overrate him terribly.

i mean all fighters have those who dont give them the right amount of credit in both directions but once someone gets mainstream it gets out of control. so many "fans" who dont know anything about boxing but they know pacquiao.

if anything i think he is overrated though, he clearly isnt as great as mayweather yet ppl act as if its in question. marquez is better than him too, beat him all four times imo.

that said he is one of the best of his era, a true atg and at 140 and underneath he would give almost anyone in history a tough fight.

[Kris Silver]

He beat Bradley so really only lost to an old foe in JMM whom he's beaten before.

I'm glad JMM got redemption because he deserved a Pac W on his record already.

But yeah because technically it's two losses, he's shot down in the P4P rankings, and too far.

He's also slightly on the slide, but to noway near the degree some think.

He'll beat Rios and hopefully be clearly back as the #2 Welterweight behind Floyd.

[straightleft]

if anything i think he is overrated though, he clearly isnt as great as mayweather yet ppl act as if its in question.

Surely this is from a floydiot Floyd cums point of view. How did you rate Floyd higher than Pac? Based on his undefeated record, because of his skills or both? LMAO!

Did you know 99% of all ATG's suffered losses on their career and they were ATG's not because they were undefeated and had a great skills like Floyd but because of their resume and accomplishments?

You are boasting about your knowledge in boxing but it seem you need my schooling. To school you further, Did you know Floyd best wins were against Oscar, Mosley, Hatton, Cotto and Marquez? Did you also know except Marquez (despite of that ko) which is still 2-1-1 in favor of Pacquiao (without the weight cheating of course), Pac did sooooooo much better against the rest (Oscar, Hatton, Mosley and Cotto)? Not to mention Pac accomplishments (the only 8 divisions champ and 4 lineal champ on Earth) dwarfing Floyd prisonment award.

So much for Floyd great skills and undefeated record huh? Unless of course you counted his wins against atg Gatti, atg Baldomir, sucker punched HOF Ortiz and the great Guerrero as Floyd best wins and your mean reason why you rated Floyd higher than Pac then I have nothing to say of course.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Straightleft please stop you are giving all Manny fans a bad name. My gawd.

[straightleft]

Straightleft please stop you are giving all Manny fans a bad name. My gawd.

As you talk like you are a real Pac fan. You want me to stop exposing these floydiots so they can do whatever they want discrediting Pac 7/24.

[Reloaded]

Surely this is from a floydiot Floyd cums point of view. How did you rate Floyd higher than Pac? Based on his undefeated record, because of his skills or both? LMAO!

Did you know 99% of all ATG's suffered losses on their career and they were ATG's not because they were undefeated and had a great skills like Floyd but because of their resume and accomplishments?

You are boasting about your knowledge in boxing but it seem you need my schooling. To school you further, Did you know Floyd best wins were against Oscar, Mosley, Hatton, Cotto and Marquez? Did you also know except Marquez (despite of that ko) which is still 2-1-1 in favor of Pacquiao (without the weight cheating of course), Pac did sooooooo much better against the rest (Oscar, Hatton, Mosley and Cotto)? Not to mention Pac accomplishments (the only 8 divisions champ and 4 lineal champ on Earth) dwarfing Floyd prisonment award.

So much for Floyd great skills and undefeated record huh? Unless of course you counted his wins against atg Gatti, atg Baldomir, sucker punched HOF Ortiz and the great Guerrero as Floyd best win, I have nothing to say of course.

Your a delusional fool , you claim Oscar as a great win when the man was a waif needing IV fluid infusions , Floyd beat a 20 lbs bigger ODH Manny beat a pound smaller ODH and you still don't get it , Floyd beat a 154 Cotto that Manny ducked because he didn't want to fight a healthy Cotto , he beat a Hatton that was brain fcked by Floyd and now had a coke habit and new trainer , your a hype swallower that cant read a timeline and know nothing about inside the sport , your all about face value , name and number is the some total of your entire boxing knowledge .

Manny is over rated in a big way , the reason why Bradley beat him and JMM smoked him is because they were prime and healthy , more BS is Rios , how the fck do you fools justify Rios a B grade loser being brought up to WW , Manny cant even fight a winning WW for fck sake , he cant even fight a wining JW he got to pick the losers lol , how much more cherry picking you going to free pass .

Fanboys !!!

[Pain~Lucy]

Stephen breadman Edwards of btalk broke down Pacs career and accomplishments quite nicely.


It may surprise you.In my research I found out that Pacquiao is the only 3 division champion in the history of boxing that was the underdog in his first 3 title tries. You may not realize the implications of that statement but let me spell it out for you. In boxing terms that is unheard of. Manny Pacquaio was being FED. Think about this, Adrien Broner just won his 3rd title. He was of similar age to Manny for each of his titles. He was the overwhelming favorite in ALL of his title tries.Manny fought Chatchai Sasakul who was 33-1 when Manny fought him. Manny was just 19 years old. Sasakul was the deal. So good in fact he gave Yuri Arbachakov his only career loss. Some consider Arbachakov the BEST flyweight of the 90’s. That’s how good he was. The fight between Manny and Sasakul is on youtube. You can see Manny was over his head, he was just a gun and he persevered and scored a dramatic come from behind ko.*In his next title try he fought he fought Lehlo Ledwaba. Dude was a monster and considered to be the best fighter at 122. Manny was like a 6 to 1 underdog. He destroyed him. Manny was just 22 when he did that.Then in his next title try he fights the 3rd best p4p fighter in the world in Marco Antonio Barerra and he beats him to a pulp. Now Manny is a 3 division champion at 24 years old and he was the underdog in all of his title tries. And he beat the best fighter in the division to win each of those titles.Then Manny takes on Juan Manuel Marquez to unify in his very next fight. The promoters didn’t give him any stay busy show case fights…….. He gets a draw. Then he engages in his trilogy with Eric Morales. Morales was coming off of a 12 round majority decision loss in the fight of the year to Barrera. Pacquiao haters act like Morales was kod in 1 round and then fought Pacquiao. There was nothing wrong with that fight. Did I add it was at 130, Pacquiao was yet moving up again. Morales has just had big HBO fights with Marcos Maidana and Danny Garcia recently but Pac gets flack for fighting him at 130lbs 8 years ago. Unbelievable.*He settles things with Morales, fights Barrera in a rematch and then goes for his 4th title vs an all time great in Marquez. So in 4 title tries the one time he is the favorite is against the best fighter he has faced. Next he fights David Diaz in his 5th title try a fight in which Pacquiao got criticized. But Diaz was33-1 and he had just beat Morales. It was Pacquiao’s first fight at 135. Next he gets the Oscar call.I am going to ask you why would Oscar want to make Manny look good. Manny made himself look good by fighting the perfect fight against a man that was 3 divisions bigger and 6 inches taller. He was being fed again, he just didn’t cooperate.Next he goes for his 6th title try against Ricky Hatton. He almost kills Hatton. So let’s keep track in 6 title tries he was the underdog 3x. He also fought the best fighter in the division 5 out of 6 times, the only time he didn’t was against David Diaz. Next he fights Miguel Cotto at a catchweight of 145lbs and destroys him. That’s his 7th title and the 6th time he fought the best guy in the division for the title. Remember Floyd was just coming out of retirement at this time.Despite what people try to say. Oscar, Hatton and Cotto were all coming off of wins not losses. Oscar had just beat Steve Forbes, Hatton had just beat Paulie Malignaggi. In fact he stopped him in 2008 when Adrien Broner couldn’t last month. And Cotto had just beat Michael Jennings and Joshua Clottey. So up until that point only Morales was coming off of a loss and he’s the only fighter to beat Manny in that decade, go figure smart guy.Next up we have Joshua Clottey who was coming off of a split decision loss. Some people say he beat Cotto but if those same people don’t like Pacman they say Clottey was coming off of a loss. Mike Alvarado will be fighting Ruslan Provodnikov coming off of one of those same losses. There is nothing wrong with that.Then Pac fights Margarito at a ****** catchweight but I don’t believe it benefited him. Margarito was never more than a BIG welter to me, so they let him come in at 150 and he rehydrated up to 165. He took away Pac’s prime in that fight. Then Pac picked on a shot Shane Mosley. I have no problem admitting that. Next he fights undefeated Tim Bradley sandwiched by two Marquez fights. Now he’s fighting Brandon Rios coming off of a razor close loss in his comeback fight after being violently kod.What favors has this man been done? Seriously. I’m telling you straight up there is no way I would let my fighters fight the kind of killers that Pacquiao has, multiple times, giving up that kind of experience,weight and height. The one guy who gave him trouble, they made him fight 4x…. He was robbed against Bradley….. He gave up so much size to Margarito that he laid in bed for 3 days AFTER the fight.I can go on and on.*Tell me another modern fighter that has had to go through that. And I only named the BIG fights and title wins. People like to repeat lies and nonsense about this guy. But the truth is he has had it harder than any fighter in recent history. You guys talk about catchweights but not so much anymore. I wonder why. I won’t bring up Floyd because I am actually a big fan of his also. Yes guys, you can be a Pacman and Moneyman fan at the same time. But Floyd hasn’t had it nearly as rough as PAcquiao, especially coming up.But let’s get back to catchweights. Pacquiao asked for 2 catchweights, Cotto and Margarito. Marquez asked for two also. Both times 144 against Pacquiao and Mayweather and no one speaks a word about it. Cotto who was supposedly opposed to catchweights, asked for one against Margarito. Somebody hit up Margarito’s trainer on twitter and he will tell you the deal. They settled at an asinine 153 but because Margarito was a cheater nobody cared.Paul Williams fought Sergio Martinez at 157 and no one spoke a word about it. The great Bernard Hopkins fought Kelly Pavlik and Winky Wright at 170lbs and we don’t talk about it. Now the best fighter in the world is fighting Saul Alvarez at 152lbs but yet Manny PAcquiao is the Catchweight King. I only named recent big fights. Go figure again…. #TRUTHI am a fan of Manny’s but I am more of a TRUTH ADVOCATE. The guy gets a bad rap but no one can give me a valid reason why. What special tailor made fighters that Manny has benefited from? He has fought the for the most part the best available guys, of all colors, styles, height and weights. I’m curious to know about this special matchmaking. Before Manny and Floyd had their public feud nobody talked bad about him. All I’m saying is have your own mind. Manny Pacquiao is the most accomplished fighter of this generation and out of all of the elite fighters of the past 15 years he has had by far the roughest road up.*

nice findings

[V.WEBB]

And still shut him out 12 - 0

OMGGGGG! So what, my point still remains that he could not cut the ring off against Grandpa Mosley. Terrible, really. Specially after he hurt Shane early.