The Klitschko Brothers Foundation - 10th anniversary today!

[King_]

Take this elsewhere, man.

No *****ing in this thread.

Sorry bro. Dunno where else to take it, I'm not making a thread.



Proceed with your thread....

[LacedUp]

That's all nice and dandy but you have consistently over the past few months called Wlad a cherry picker so how can you say in that post that he never ducked or dodged anyone?

Really?

No I have consistently called Vitali a cherrypicker and said Wlad has fought subpar opponents since Haye. Are you disagreeing with either and would you care to explain if so?

[King_]

I'm not 'hating' on the Klitschkos. Hating would be what Klitschko fans are doing to David Haye. I'm simply pointing out flaws in their resumes and styles that I don't like.

And I was doing that waaay before Wlad ever even fought Haye, and even before Haye was a heavy! So i'm not sure what you are talking about.

Your main "argument" against Wlad has been that he's a career cherry picker. You also said that there was top 10 HWs for him to fight who would of accepted the challenge when he fought Pianeta and both simply aren't true.


It seems you may have cut down a bit on the trolling tho so props to you sir.

[King_]

No I have consistently called Vitali a cherrypicker and said Wlad has fought subpar opponents since Haye. Are you disagreeing with either and would you care to explain if so?

I don't think that Wlads opponents since Haye have been glorified world beaters.... But I believe if you check on my profile home page you can see the discussion we had about why there was no one else to fight. - and how Wlad chose literally the best opponents possible (aside from Haye who Wlad owes nothing)


For quite a while you kept bashing Wlad for fighting Wach, Pianeta... And while they certainly aren't elite fighters- you kept saying he could of fought Helenius, Pulev and some others. None of those guys wanted to fight at those times and he is now finally fighting the guy who you said yourself would give Wlad "respect" for fighting- Povetkin

[LacedUp]

Your main "argument" against Wlad has been that he's a career cherry picker. You also said that there was top 10 HWs for him to fight who would of accepted the challenge when he fought Pianeta and both simply aren't true.


It seems you may have cut down a bit on the trolling tho so props to you sir.

Eh what? I have never ever said that he has cherry picked throughout his career. Can you prove me otherwise? then please do so. Because I could also say that you have said David Haye would beat a prime Mike Tyson, but that doesn't make it true now does it?

The notion that Pianeta was the BEST possible option is one I strongly reject, and I don't for the life of me believe it is true. Especially since both Pulev, Fury and Haye said they were willing to fight Wlad. And I sincerely doubt anyone would be more interested in a pinaeta fight (nobody knew who he was) than any of those three.

I do believe however, that he was the EASIEST option out there in terms of making a fight and also the CHEAPEST option. Pianeta wasn't even ranked in the top 20 and never beat a single contender, but somehow managed to fight for the biggest prize in sports. Do you think that's justified?

[LacedUp]

For quite a while you kept bashing Wlad for fighting Wach, Pianeta... And while they certainly aren't elite fighters- you kept saying he could of fought Helenius, Pulev and some others. None of those guys wanted to fight at those times and he is now finally fighting the guy who you said yourself would give Wlad "respect" for fighting- Povetkin

Yes. And I do give Wlad respect for fighting Povetkin. Just like I gave him respect for fighting any other top contenders he's fought.

I just don't jump on the bandwagon and say he's the greatest of all times for beating someone Boxrec had ranked #28 at the time the fight was announced. Why would I?

[King_]

Eh what? I have never ever said that he has cherry picked throughout his career. Can you prove me otherwise? then please do so. Because I could also say that you have said David Haye would beat a prime Mike Tyson, but that doesn't make it true now does it?

The notion that Pianeta was the BEST possible option is one I strongly reject, and I don't for the life of me believe it is true. Especially since both Pulev, Fury and Haye said they were willing to fight Wlad. And I sincerely doubt anyone would be more interested in a pinaeta fight (nobody knew who he was) than any of those three.

I do believe however, that he was the EASIEST option out there in terms of making a fight and also the CHEAPEST option. Pianeta wasn't even ranked in the top 20 and never beat a single contender, but somehow managed to fight for the biggest prize in sports. Do you think that's justified?

Right now I cannot prove you otherwise on that at the moment but you have said it for sure. Either way like you say I can't prove you otherwise.

As for Pianeta- No, that's the thing. I literally went down the list and showed you all the top 10 fighters and none of them would of taken it. Pulev for example, said in a video HIMSELF a couple of months or so ago that he wanted to defend his EBU title once before fighting Wlad (freedom posted it in the HW thread) Helenius also said in a BSCENE article he wasn't ready yet. Povetkin pulled out twice, and I can't remember who else there was...... But the point is that there was proof that all the guys you mentioned before as the opponents who "would have fought Wlad" when he fought Pianeta - didn't want the fight at the time. I can't find all the proof now. But it's there.


Do I think it's justified? Well let me ask you this...... Do you think Wlad needs justification to stay busy and defend his title against the highest ranked undefeated fighter who was willing to fight him at the time of his planned title defense, who also happened to be a former sparring partner who would be receiving a career pay day? Keep in mind there is "PPV fighters" out there who charge you $50 to watch a fight ( with a guy who has absolutely no business in the ring with the champ just like how you feel about Pianeta) just because they have a big "fan base" who would buy anything with their country men.... AKA oscar De la Hoya...


If Wlad can't fight the highest ranked opponent who was willing to sign the contract (it is what it is but I'm telling you that's the truth- aside from Haye and Chisora who just lost to old man Vitali fighting with 1 arm) why is Floyd allowed to fight a 2007, 4 loss old man Oscar De la Hoya on PPV and have that win be considered a great win? Yet Wlads a cherry picker....


Just throwing that out there.

[DreamFighter]

Right now I cannot prove you otherwise on that at the moment but you have said it for sure. Either way like you say I can't prove you otherwise.

As for Pianeta- No, that's the thing. I literally went down the list and showed you all the top 10 fighters and none of them would of taken it. Pulev for example, said in a video HIMSELF a couple of months or so ago that he wanted to defend his EBU title once before fighting Wlad (freedom posted it in the HW thread) Helenius also said in a BSCENE article he wasn't ready yet. Povetkin pulled out twice, and I can't remember who else there was...... But the point is that there was proof that all the guys you mentioned before as the opponents who "would have fought Wlad" when he fought Pianeta - didn't want the fight at the time. I can't find all the proof now. But it's there.


Do I think it's justified? Well let me ask you this...... Do you think Wlad needs justification to stay busy and defend his title against the highest ranked undefeated fighter who was willing to fight him at the time of his planned title defense, who also happened to be a former sparring partner who would be receiving a career pay day? Keep in mind there is "PPV fighters" out there who charge you $50 to watch a fight ( with a guy who has absolutely no business in the ring with the champ just like how you feel about Pianeta) just because they have a big "fan base" who would buy anything with their country men.... AKA oscar De la Hoya...


If Wlad can't fight the highest ranked opponent who was willing to sign the contract (it is what it is but I'm telling you that's the truth- aside from Haye and Chisora who just lost to old man Vitali fighting with 1 arm) why is Floyd allowed to fight a 2007, 4 loss old man Oscar De la Hoya on PPV and have that win be considered a great win? Yet Wlads a cherry picker....


Just throwing that out there.

just throwing out a comparison of Pianeta to Oscar De La Hoya?

no wonder you are throwing it out.

[King_]

just throwing out a comparison of Pianeta to Oscar De La Hoya?

no wonder you are throwing it out.

Very loose comparison but he asked me is if justified for Wlad to defend the HW crown against Pianeta (who was the highest ranked opponent available)

And I'm asking him if it's justified for Floyd to defend his crown in a fight DLH just because he has name recognition and millions of Mexican and Mexican American fans who would buy his PPV......


What's the problem? Elaborate please

[DreamFighter]

Very loose comparison but he asked me is if justified for Wlad to defend the HW crown against Pianeta (who was the highest ranked opponent available)

And I'm asking him if it's justified for Floyd to defend his crown in a fight DLH just because he has name recognition and millions of Mexican and Mexican American fans who would buy his PPV......


What's the problem? Elaborate please

elaborate? yes, my friend - comparing failed sparring partner non entity Pianeta and multiple division champion ATG Oscar De La Hoya, that's the problem.