Comments Thread For: Cleverly: Beating Kovalev Will Get Me The Big Names

[MDPopescu]

RIP Cleverly, I feel bad for him... I really do

I still don't understand who and what lured Clev into this deadly fight...
I am obsessed with the fact that this guy holds a university degree in Pure Math... This is unprecedented in boxing...

[ShoulderRoll]

Marco Antonio Barrera has a law degree.

[Citizen Koba]

Have you seen the Boone fight? I am going to check that out when I get a chance. Only time he went 8 rounds and it was an SD. Wonder if it was actually close.

Doesn't seem to be any footage of it anywhere. I tend to find a boxers worst fights tell you more than there best one. (Kovalevs one of my favourite fighters BTW)

It was a SD in Boone's home town, the only loss he's had in Atlanta going off Boxrec - comments in Boone 2 suggest Kovalev wasn't expecting the win (in was his 10th fight and Boone was a big step up), but that he was critical of himself for letting Boone off the hook. The implication of getting even a SD victory in Boone's hometown despite the KD is that he most have been fairly convincingly beating him, and sounds like he had him in a bit of trouble earlier.
It also suggests he had enough left to get up and win after the 7th rnd KD.

Despite being slated for his losses, Boone's actually a tough ****er, who's been in with just about every prospect at 160-175 - KOed Stevenson and KDed Ward.

There's a 6 round UD against Karen Arvetsyan also in 2010 - it was Kovs 7th fight of the year and his 4th in as many months. He was teeing off on the other guy pretty much at will, but didn't seem able to hurt him. Seemed slow as well -off night perhaps?

The only other fight that's been beyond 3 is the Simakov (RIP) fight which ended in 7 (though Simakov pretty much stopped doing anything after the KD in the 6th) - Kovalev was still looking fine after 7, though he fought the whole fight at a much more measured pace than his most recent fights.

There is legitimate questions over Kovalevs chin and stamina, though his chin has appeared solid enough so far as he has a tendency to ship a few punches on the way to landing his own, and I don't see Clev as being the one to test it. So we'll just have to wait 'til Sat, though JDJ says he's got plenty in the tank.

Back onto the thread topic though, I think Clevs gonna be **** outta luck if he expects to start getting the big fights off a win. Unless he gets some massive KO which wows the yank fans I think HBO ain't interested. Kovalev's great for HBO; he's a big puncher who gets the exciting KOs, he's cheap as ****, he's based in the states and if he loses they've invested hardly anything in him.

Remember how little attention 'Zaggy got from the states? Well, Clev isn't as good, and Kovalev was barely known til 7 months ago, and still is a long, long, way from being a big name. I mean, aside from boxing fans who like him, what other promotion or hype has he received? If he beats Kovalev, Clev will get props off boxing fans but not off HBO. Basically unless Clev fancies fighting in the US as a matter of routine, and starts getting some KOs, neither of the big US networks are gonna give a damn.

[US Dirk Killer]

Doesn't seem to be any footage of it anywhere. I tend to find a boxers worst fights tell you more than there best one. (Kovalevs one of my favourite fighters BTW)

It was a SD in Boone's home town, the only loss he's had in Atlanta going off Boxrec - comments in Boone 2 suggest Kovalev wasn't expecting the win (in was his 10th fight and Boone was a big step up), but that he was critical of himself for letting Boone off the hook. The implication of getting even a SD victory in Boone's hometown despite the KD is that he most have been fairly convincingly beating him, and sounds like he had him in a bit of trouble earlier.
It also suggests he had enough left to get up and win after the 7th rnd KD.

Despite being slated for his losses, Boone's actually a tough ****er, who's been in with just about every prospect at 160-175 - KOed Stevenson and KDed Ward.

There's a 6 round UD against Karen Arvetsyan also in 2010 - it was Kovs 7th fight of the year and his 4th in as many months. He was teeing off on the other guy pretty much at will, but didn't seem able to hurt him. Seemed slow as well -off night perhaps?

The only other fight that's been beyond 3 is the Simakov (RIP) fight which ended in 7 (though Simakov pretty much stopped doing anything after the KD in the 6th) - Kovalev was still looking fine after 7, though he fought the whole fight at a much more measured pace than his most recent fights.

There is legitimate questions over Kovalevs chin and stamina, though his chin has appeared solid enough so far as he has a tendency to ship a few punches on the way to landing his own, and I don't see Clev as being the one to test it. So we'll just have to wait 'til Sat, though JDJ says he's got plenty in the tank.

Back onto the thread topic though, I think Clevs gonna be **** outta luck if he expects to start getting the big fights off a win. Unless he gets some massive KO which wows the yank fans I think HBO ain't interested. Kovalev's great for HBO; he's a big puncher who gets the exciting KOs, he's cheap as ****, he's based in the states and if he loses they've invested hardly anything in him.

Remember how little attention 'Zaggy got from the states? Well, Clev isn't as good, and Kovalev was barely known til 7 months ago, and still is a long, long, way from being a big name. I mean, aside from boxing fans who like him, what other promotion or hype has he received? If he beats Kovalev, Clev will get props off boxing fans but not off HBO. Basically unless Clev fancies fighting in the US as a matter of routine, and starts getting some KOs, neither of the big US networks are gonna give a damn.

He still thinks the little known Russain is the home fighter.
And Boone is a guy who fights with no fear. You see that in the second fight

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Doesn't seem to be any footage of it anywhere. I tend to find a boxers worst fights tell you more than there best one. (Kovalevs one of my favourite fighters BTW)

It was a SD in Boone's home town, the only loss he's had in Atlanta going off Boxrec - comments in Boone 2 suggest Kovalev wasn't expecting the win (in was his 10th fight and Boone was a big step up), but that he was critical of himself for letting Boone off the hook. The implication of getting even a SD victory in Boone's hometown despite the KD is that he most have been fairly convincingly beating him, and sounds like he had him in a bit of trouble earlier.
It also suggests he had enough left to get up and win after the 7th rnd KD.

Despite being slated for his losses, Boone's actually a tough ****er, who's been in with just about every prospect at 160-175 - KOed Stevenson and KDed Ward.

There's a 6 round UD against Karen Arvetsyan also in 2010 - it was Kovs 7th fight of the year and his 4th in as many months. He was teeing off on the other guy pretty much at will, but didn't seem able to hurt him. Seemed slow as well -off night perhaps?

The only other fight that's been beyond 3 is the Simakov (RIP) fight which ended in 7 (though Simakov pretty much stopped doing anything after the KD in the 6th) - Kovalev was still looking fine after 7, though he fought the whole fight at a much more measured pace than his most recent fights.

There is legitimate questions over Kovalevs chin and stamina, though his chin has appeared solid enough so far as he has a tendency to ship a few punches on the way to landing his own, and I don't see Clev as being the one to test it. So we'll just have to wait 'til Sat, though JDJ says he's got plenty in the tank.

Back onto the thread topic though, I think Clevs gonna be **** outta luck if he expects to start getting the big fights off a win. Unless he gets some massive KO which wows the yank fans I think HBO ain't interested. Kovalev's great for HBO; he's a big puncher who gets the exciting KOs, he's cheap as ****, he's based in the states and if he loses they've invested hardly anything in him.

Remember how little attention 'Zaggy got from the states? Well, Clev isn't as good, and Kovalev was barely known til 7 months ago, and still is a long, long, way from being a big name. I mean, aside from boxing fans who like him, what other promotion or hype has he received? If he beats Kovalev, Clev will get props off boxing fans but not off HBO. Basically unless Clev fancies fighting in the US as a matter of routine, and starts getting some KOs, neither of the big US networks are gonna give a damn.

Depends how he looks. If he looks spectacular, they will definitely be interested. Either that or Showtime picks him up to face Hopkins. I can see Cleverly-Hopkins being next if he wins on Saturday.

[Hougigo]

Doesn't seem to be any footage of it anywhere. I tend to find a boxers worst fights tell you more than there best one. (Kovalevs one of my favourite fighters BTW)

It was a SD in Boone's home town, the only loss he's had in Atlanta going off Boxrec - comments in Boone 2 suggest Kovalev wasn't expecting the win (in was his 10th fight and Boone was a big step up), but that he was critical of himself for letting Boone off the hook. The implication of getting even a SD victory in Boone's hometown despite the KD is that he most have been fairly convincingly beating him, and sounds like he had him in a bit of trouble earlier.
It also suggests he had enough left to get up and win after the 7th rnd KD.

Despite being slated for his losses, Boone's actually a tough ****er, who's been in with just about every prospect at 160-175 - KOed Stevenson and KDed Ward.

There's a 6 round UD against Karen Arvetsyan also in 2010 - it was Kovs 7th fight of the year and his 4th in as many months. He was teeing off on the other guy pretty much at will, but didn't seem able to hurt him. Seemed slow as well -off night perhaps?

The only other fight that's been beyond 3 is the Simakov (RIP) fight which ended in 7 (though Simakov pretty much stopped doing anything after the KD in the 6th) - Kovalev was still looking fine after 7, though he fought the whole fight at a much more measured pace than his most recent fights.

There is legitimate questions over Kovalevs chin and stamina, though his chin has appeared solid enough so far as he has a tendency to ship a few punches on the way to landing his own, and I don't see Clev as being the one to test it. So we'll just have to wait 'til Sat, though JDJ says he's got plenty in the tank.

Back onto the thread topic though, I think Clevs gonna be **** outta luck if he expects to start getting the big fights off a win. Unless he gets some massive KO which wows the yank fans I think HBO ain't interested. Kovalev's great for HBO; he's a big puncher who gets the exciting KOs, he's cheap as ****, he's based in the states and if he loses they've invested hardly anything in him.

Remember how little attention 'Zaggy got from the states? Well, Clev isn't as good, and Kovalev was barely known til 7 months ago, and still is a long, long, way from being a big name. I mean, aside from boxing fans who like him, what other promotion or hype has he received? If he beats Kovalev, Clev will get props off boxing fans but not off HBO. Basically unless Clev fancies fighting in the US as a matter of routine, and starts getting some KOs, neither of the big US networks are gonna give a damn.

Boone is a great gatekeeper.
He's spoiled undefeated records in the past and can take somebody to deep waters and make them sink or swim. Also from what I've seen, this dude really doesn't show fear sometimes

[Citizen Koba]

no i don't have enough time to watch boxing anymore. trying to get my house back. i assume it was close or a robbery since kovalev was the hyped guy and his promoter was putting on the card.

Kovalev didn't have a proper promoter at that time, just a kinda hobbyist manager, and he sure as hell wasn't getting hyped. The fight was in Boones hometown of Atlanta and the only loss he's ever had in Atlanta.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Interesting twatter message from Tony Bellew regarding the Boone fight...

Wow! People comparing Kovalev to Golovkin? Are you serious theres no comparison! Kovalev deserved to lose to Boone in there first fight. ��

— Tony Bellew (@TonyBellew) August 13, 2013

[Citizen Koba]

Interesting twatter message from Tony Bellew regarding the Boone fight...

Wow! People comparing Kovalev to Golovkin? Are you serious theres no comparison! Kovalev deserved to lose to Boone in there first fight. ��

— Tony Bellew (@TonyBellew) August 13, 2013

It seems pretty improbable, 'cos Boone was a way bigger fighter than Kovalev at that point, and it was in Atlanta, Boones hometown where he'd always previously got the nod.

Kovalev himself says he wasn't expecting to win the fight, and wasn't in a good place mentally having first been overconfident, then becoming unsure about Boone in the day or two B4 the fight.

I ain't on Twitter but would love to know how he made that judgement - if the ****er's holding out on some footage I won't be happy. Mind you, Bellew's in line to get KOed by Stevenson, who actually got KTFO by Boone, so maybe that's what's got him rankled. LOL.

That said from what I've seen Kovalev is not on GGGs level when it comes to skill and ring-generalship, but to try and discredit his victories is not very cool from a fellow boxer, specially as Bellews only trying to make Clev look bad.