mayweather is the jay-z of boinxg,pac is marshall mathers

[4Corners]

I'm familiar with the NY hip-hop scene, seeing as I've lived here all my life. I can tell you right now that Jay-Z has never come close to making an album as good as his debut Reasonable Doubt. Even that album had its fair share of filler songs. A lot of artists have difficulty replicating the success of their debut album. Nas is a perfect example of someone who couldn't escape the Illmatic shadow.

However Jay-Z's lyrics have gotten progressively worse with each album. It's really due to his lack of creativity. He was never a great lyricist. He was good but he could never match up with the likes of Nas, Rakim and Biggie. His beef with Nas illustrated that, as Ether was clearly the dominant track over "Take over". The best thing Jay-Z had going for him was his rapid fire rhymes. And of course his relationship to Beyonce, which kept him relevant.

Eminem has always been relevant in the game. Following his debut album, which was a disaster, he responded with one great album after another and has had some memorable tracks. Where he may lack in the rhyming scheme that Jay-Z possess, he certainly topples Jay-Z in the "impact" on hip-hop, and certainly has the creativity edge over him as well.

overall Em> Jay-Z. Jay-Z is very overrated.

I agree completely, with exception to Em's rhyme schemes. His rhyme schemes are much much more complex and wordy than Jay's. This dude bends words to rhyme that don't even actually rhyme, sandwiches other rhymes between rhymes with ease. Jay's dope, but he hasn't had much to say in a long time. And he doesn't have the strongest punchlines to resort to when he doesn't have much to say. Check Magna Carta Holy Grail. He's rapping about the same old s**t and his technical skill isn't so great that it's going to mask it. Even when Em or other greats like Rakim at times in his day, even when they weren't rapping about anything in particular, they had a level of technical skill where you could see these guys were writers and students of the art of being emcee.

MCHG was weak, his worst album since Kingdom Come. At least Encore and Relapse, Em's weakest albums, there were some dope tracks. Encore's rhyme's were a little more simplified, most likely due to Em's drug addiction which peaked from 2004-2007, but it still had memorable records like Never Enough, Yellow Brick Road, Like Toy Soldiers, Mosh, Mockingbird, etc. And though Em ruined Relapse with that ****** accents, the rhyme schemes were dope. 3AM, Must be the Ganja, Deja Vu, Beautiful, Underground, Music Box, Drop the Bomb on Em were all dope.

Em's debut Infinite was dope. Wasn't big and didn't get him any commercial success, but as far as pure hip hop, it's an underground classic.

I'll take Em's big 3 over Jay's big 3.

Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, Eminem Show > Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, Black Album.

[B Phontain]

Eminem, Rakim, Nas, KRS-One, Kool G Rap, Big L, Jay Z, Biggie, Ice Cube, Black Thought, Common, Big Daddy Kane, Biggie, Pac, some of the greatest to ever do it.

i'd throw Big Pun, Cassidy , Dmx, and Lloyd banks in there too but thats my humble opinion...and maybe Fab

[Cuban Linx]

I agree completely, with exception to Em's rhyme schemes. His rhyme schemes are much much more complex and wordy than Jay's. This dude bends words to rhyme that don't even actually rhyme, sandwiches other rhymes between rhymes with ease. Jay's dope, but he hasn't had much to say in a long time. And he doesn't have the strongest punchlines to resort to when he doesn't have much to say. Check Magna Carta Holy Grail. He's rapping about the same old s**t and his technical skill isn't so great that it's going to mask it. Even when Em or other greats like Rakim at times in his day, even when they weren't rapping about anything in particular, they had a level of technical skill where you could see these guys were writers and students of the art of being emcee.

Em's debut Infinite was dope. Wasn't big and didn't get him any commercial success, but as far as pure hip hop, it's an underground classic.

I'll take Em's big 3 over Jay's big 3.

Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, Eminem Show > Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, Black Album.

So would I, because Jay hasn't made a good album since Reasonable Doubt.

I mean can we even call Black Album a good album?

I agree Jay raps about the same stuff because he lacks creativity, he was never a great lyricist.

I had mixed feelings about Infinite. It definitely had an east-coast influence, which I appreciate, but I'm glad Em stayed away from that and stuck to his roots. I felt he tried too hard to be like Nas , and that just wasn't him.

[4Corners]

So would I, because Jay hasn't made a good album since Reasonable Doubt.

I mean can we even call Black Album a good album?

I agree Jay raps about the same stuff because he lacks creativity, he was never a great lyricist.

I had mixed feelings about Infinite. It definitely had an east-coast influence, which I appreciate, but I'm glad Em stayed away from that and stuck to his roots. I felt he tried too hard to be like Nas , and that just wasn't him.

I agree. Infinite shows though that Em could have been dope doing whatever. He probably wouldn't have gotten as big, but he would have been dope. His creativity though got him where he is, and Eminem Show solidified his Top 10 greatness in my eyes. I got him in my Top 3, just my opinion. Em, Nas, Rakim. My greatest to ever do it.

He definitely had a big AZ influence early on in my opinion. The best thing Em ever did for his career was create Slim Shady. The fact that there was Eminem and Slim Shady, was genius. Kweli his that right on the head.

[PAC-BOY]

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[B Phontain]

I agree completely, with exception to Em's rhyme schemes. His rhyme schemes are much much more complex and wordy than Jay's. This dude bends words to rhyme that don't even actually rhyme, sandwiches other rhymes between rhymes with ease. Jay's dope, but he hasn't had much to say in a long time. And he doesn't have the strongest punchlines to resort to when he doesn't have much to say. Check Magna Carta Holy Grail. He's rapping about the same old s**t and his technical skill isn't so great that it's going to mask it. Even when Em or other greats like Rakim at times in his day, even when they weren't rapping about anything in particular, they had a level of technical skill where you could see these guys were writers and students of the art of being emcee.

Em's debut Infinite was dope. Wasn't big and didn't get him any commercial success, but as far as pure hip hop, it's an underground classic.

I'll take Em's big 3 over Jay's big 3.

Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, Eminem Show > Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, Black Album.

ehhh idk bout that.......just looking and thinking about each i'd probably call it even....Although i'd switch MCHG with blueprint. I personally would listen to Eminems albums before i would Jays but you cant deny the impact of the three Jay albums you mentioned.

I do agree about Ems rhyme scheme tho. He's better than Jay. But if you listen to Jays words he's not talkin bout this dumb **** everybody else is talking about. He on some grown man shi*t which at his age he should be. "I dont pop molly, I rock Tom Ford"

[4Corners]

i'd throw Big Pun, Cassidy , Dmx, and Lloyd banks in there too but thats my humble opinion...and maybe Fab

I agree on Pun. I definitely got him in my Top 20. Guys like Redman, Mos Def, Del Tha Funkee ****sapien are really slept on too. Great emcee's at their peaks.

This new generation has me hyped too. There's some dope emcee's coming out the past few years.

Kendrick, Cole, Joey Badass, Logic, Krit, Yelawolf, etc. Even Mac Miller dropped a dope album in Watching Movies With the Sound off. Don't believe me, check it out on youtube. Dude stepped up big time. And the most slept on album within the hip hop community, it's gotten huge in grand scheme of things but it's been slept on with the brothers, is The Heist by Macklemore and Ryan Lewis. Original in the way it was created, and has some real messages on there. What Macklemore lacks in technical ability he makes up for in creativity and his messages. Even Thrift Shop has a message, yes even that one.

[stefl14]

lmaoooo jay z richest entertainer on the planet and nas would eventually beg him for money.

em lost beefs to emo paint wearing isane clown posse phags

No he isn't.

[4Corners]

ehhh idk bout that.......just looking and thinking about each i'd probably call it even....Although i'd switch MCHG with blueprint. I personally would listen to Eminems albums before i would Jays but you cant deny the impact of the three Jay albums you mentioned.

I do agree about Ems rhyme scheme tho. He's better than Jay. But if you listen to Jays words he's not talkin bout this dumb **** everybody else is talking about. He on some grown man shi*t which at his age he should be. "I dont pop molly, I rock Tom Ford"

If Reasonable Doubt is Jay's greatest, that matches with Marhsall Mathers LP. Both had massive influences on the rap game and took the world by storm. Do you favor Jay's classic hip hop sound or Em's creativity on MMLP???

Their second and third are clearly Em for me. Slim Shady LP took the world by storm, no one had seen anything like it, and it was at a time when a bunch of emcee's were spittin' about I'm cool, I'm dope, I'm better than you, this and that. Em came with SSLP and had vision no one else had at the time. Blueprint was dope, it's Jay's 2nd best in my opinion. I'm not sure it changed the game the way SSLP did though.

The 3rd are Eminem Show and Black Album, both the last truly GREAT efforts (Jay's had solid albums American Gangster and Blueprint 3 since and the hit or miss Kingdom Come/MCHG, and Em's had solid album Recovery and the hit or miss Relapse/Encore). Both are very good. I'll take Eminem Show lyrically though.

The fact that all of Em's albums sound different goes a long way too. He's never made an album that sounded like his other ones.

[FrankieBruno]

Floyd never got Ethered

Jayz had one battle and he lost it

Comparison fail

Eminem was always a load of ****e, weirdo who made songs for emo's that hate their mothers

Give me BIG, Nas, 2pac and Dmx any day..made great songs without coming off corny.

I'd be ashamed to listen to Jayz or Eminem