Posters still calling Floyd a cherry picker?

[SterlingStained]

Please explain how this is possible

Canelo-22 years old WBC/WBA/RING CHAMPION-UNDEFEATED-top 10 p4p

Guerrero-Mandatory to his WBC title-top 10 p4p

Cotto-WBA champ at 154,#1 154 fighter

Ortiz-WBC champ-#2 ranked ww

Shane-#1 ranked ww,WBA champion-#3p4p


So in his last 5 fights he has faced 3 top 10 p4p fighters(go back one more fight and he beat JMM who just sparked out Manny and he was #2 p4p) all 5 of his fights have had titles on the line. How is he a cherry picker? People screamed that he would duck Canelo,he takes the fight and is still called a cherry picker?

thanks for illuminating floyd's MO,

fight fighters before they hit prime and after they hit prime.

Floyd has yet to face a legit hall of fame fighter in their prime.

btw, shane was not #1 ranked welter when floyd fought him, that was pacquiao and lmfaaoo at robert being top 10 p4p.

[J The UnBiased]

Floyd's resume is pretty good. I agree, he could have been more active in the past, but there's not a single guy in the last 5 years that Floyd beats that upgrades his ranking on an all time list. P. Will does not elevate his status, Margarito, Pacquiao, none of these guys elevate Floyd any higher than I already have him. I think he only gets elevated the longer he stays around for new breeds of opponents like Hopkins. But that's just my opinion. I don't need to defend Floyd's resume, he's been fighting champions, what more do you want?

[SterlingStained]

Floyd's resume is pretty good. I agree, he could have been more active in the past, but there's not a single guy in the last 5 years that Floyd beats that upgrades his ranking on an all time list. P. Will does not elevate his status, Margarito, Pacquiao, none of these guys elevate Floyd any higher than I already have him. I think he only gets elevated the longer he stays around for new breeds of opponents like Hopkins. But that's just my opinion. I don't need to defend Floyd's resume, he's been fighting champions, what more do you want?

yea according to you J the Biased for Floyd.

i beg to differ.

Floyd beating a prime pacquiao, prime margarito, a prime cotto, a prime paul williams, and younger shane would have greatly catapulted floyd's ATG rankings.

Instead, he "retired" after beating ricky hatton at 147lbs and leaving all those fights on the table.

There's a reason why floyd has yet to face a legit hall of famer in the prime.

[mikinoki]

Did he fight the nr 1 fighter in his weightclass and the nr 1 p4p for the last few years?No?Then he is cherrypicked....

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Floyd's last couple of fights...

hatton at 147-- Everyone knew hatton was crap at welter,, gatekeeper like collazo proved that,, floyd should have fought hatton at 140 for lineal championship, something floyd never got,, and it would make floyd a 3 division champ in 3 weight classes in 3 straight fights (baldomir 147, oscar 154, hatton 140) That is what a henry armstrong would have done...

JMM- huge cherrypick,,, JMM a great fighter but he counters aggressive come-forward fighters like manny, diaz,,,, barrera and casamoyer gave him alot of problems because they could box...
Does anyone really think that a smaller, older, slower, flat-footed, less powerful, counter-puncher is going to outbox a faster, younger, taller, bigger, more powerful, quick-footed, boxing genius like floyd,,,, DId anyone at the time really think jmm had a chance of winning,,,

Mosely- true he was the champ at welter but was approaching 40 and hadnt fought in 16 months, and was coming off a huge upset of come-forward margs....
Not a huge cherrypick so i wont give floyd much flack but would have liked to see this fight after the oscar fight instead of cotto-mosely that fall

ortiz- huge cherrypick,,, ortiz had one legit win vs berto who isnt that great,,,, ortiz can only come forward and ko somebody,, thats his only way to win,,, maidana, and peterson already proved that ortiz was not elite...

Cotto- was on his last leg,, he had already gotten beaten down by margs and manny, had struggled with low level opponents like shot-mayorga, one legged yuri, and one-eyed margs,,, Floyd would have gotten more respect if he fought cotto in 2008 but he was "retired"

Guerrero- Ghost has never beaten anyone good ever,,, the most bogus multiple division champ ever,,, slow, wins vacant belts vs limited competition, has never beaten a top guy... once again a guy looked great vs berto, but in actuality, berto is not that good

Now Canelo-- Legit fight for floyd,, not too many issues with this fight except for floyd wont fight him at 154 but instead at a catchweight, even though last year he said he likes to fight guys were they more comfortable at so there wont be any excuses, but then when faced with a legit, in their prime, opponent, he wants a catchweight,,, totally hypocrite but his fans dont care, as long as he stays unbeaten...

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Outside of jmm ko'ing manny

has any of floyd's last 7,8,10 opponents had a good win since fighting floyd....

ghost- no but its still too soon
cotto- no
ortiz- no
mosely-no
jmm- yes manny ko but thats about it,,
hatton- no unless you count lazcano and pauli as top level wins
oscar- no
baldomir-no
judah-no
shambra-no
gatti-no
bruscles-no
chop-chop- no unless you count upsetting prospects
ndou- no
sosa- no
JLC- YES,,,

You have to go back a decade to find a guy that did something after the floyd fight,,,

[J The UnBiased]

Outside of jmm ko'ing manny

has any of floyd's last 7,8,10 opponents had a good win since fighting floyd....

ghost- no but its still too soon
cotto- no
ortiz- no
mosely-no
jmm- yes manny ko but thats about it,,
hatton- no unless you count lazcano and pauli as top level wins
oscar- no
baldomir-no
judah-no
shambra-no
gatti-no
bruscles-no
chop-chop- no unless you count upsetting prospects
ndou- no
sosa- no
JLC- YES,,,

You have to go back a decade to find a guy that did something after the floyd fight,,,

Well this was a pretty pointless post. Everyone you listed was a credible opponent when they got to Floyd, what they do afterwards say's nothing about Floyd.

[J The UnBiased]

Floyd's last couple of fights...

hatton at 147-- Everyone knew hatton was crap at welter,, gatekeeper like collazo proved that,, floyd should have fought hatton at 140 for lineal championship, something floyd never got,, and it would make floyd a 3 division champ in 3 weight classes in 3 straight fights (baldomir 147, oscar 154, hatton 140) That is what a henry armstrong would have done...

JMM- huge cherrypick,,, JMM a great fighter but he counters aggressive come-forward fighters like manny, diaz,,,, barrera and casamoyer gave him alot of problems because they could box...
Does anyone really think that a smaller, older, slower, flat-footed, less powerful, counter-puncher is going to outbox a faster, younger, taller, bigger, more powerful, quick-footed, boxing genius like floyd,,,, DId anyone at the time really think jmm had a chance of winning,,,

Mosely- true he was the champ at welter but was approaching 40 and hadnt fought in 16 months, and was coming off a huge upset of come-forward margs....
Not a huge cherrypick so i wont give floyd much flack but would have liked to see this fight after the oscar fight instead of cotto-mosely that fall

ortiz- huge cherrypick,,, ortiz had one legit win vs berto who isnt that great,,,, ortiz can only come forward and ko somebody,, thats his only way to win,,, maidana, and peterson already proved that ortiz was not elite...

Cotto- was on his last leg,, he had already gotten beaten down by margs and manny, had struggled with low level opponents like shot-mayorga, one legged yuri, and one-eyed margs,,, Floyd would have gotten more respect if he fought cotto in 2008 but he was "retired"

Guerrero- Ghost has never beaten anyone good ever,,, the most bogus multiple division champ ever,,, slow, wins vacant belts vs limited competition, has never beaten a top guy... once again a guy looked great vs berto, but in actuality, berto is not that good

Now Canelo-- Legit fight for floyd,, not too many issues with this fight except for floyd wont fight him at 154 but instead at a catchweight, even though last year he said he likes to fight guys were they more comfortable at so there wont be any excuses, but then when faced with a legit, in their prime, opponent, he wants a catchweight,,, totally hypocrite but his fans dont care, as long as he stays unbeaten...

No one complained about the Hatton fight until Hatton got knocked out so stop it. And I agree, I wasn't thrilled to see Floyd fight Marquez either because I knew it was a sure win. But what shocked me is that Floyd was too big for Juan but Floyd's not too big for Pacquiao, even though Juan and Manny are the same size, but hey, it is what it is. Floyd fought Mosley off of Shane's best win in a long time, and being that Shane ignored Floyd in 99, and didn't want any part of em in 06, I don't see how anyone can have any problems with the fight. Say what you want to say about Ortiz but he moved up and took out the WBC Welterweight Champion, period. So he became, the new Welterweight Champion, who would have been a grea opponent for anyone not named Floyd, but of course, Floyd's knocks the Champion out and it's a cherrypick. Cotto is on record saying he wanted no parts of Floyd back in 08, he was in the audience for the Gatti beatdown, he knows it wouldn't of been as easy as many posters on this site would like to believe. I wish it could of happened in 08, but Cotto said that was a fight that he didn't want at the time, check his interview with ESPN in 2012. Say what you want about Guerrero, another opponent who would have been good for anyone not named Floyd, but of course, he had to cherrypick his mandatory.

[J The UnBiased]

yea according to you J the Biased for Floyd.

i beg to differ.

Floyd beating a prime pacquiao, prime margarito, a prime cotto, a prime paul williams, and younger shane would have greatly catapulted floyd's ATG rankings.

Instead, he "retired" after beating ricky hatton at 147lbs and leaving all those fights on the table.

There's a reason why floyd has yet to face a legit hall of famer in the prime.

Yeah, Floyd obviously retired because Marg's, P Will, and Pacquao sure were tearing up the scene in 07, those dominating wins they had scared the **** out of Floyd.

[ADP02]

I don't think there's a fighter in history who fought the amount of Top ranked fighters Mayweather has fought that was also considered a cherry picker.

Last time I checked Khan was ranked #2 in the WW division. They are trying everything to make Khan a future opponent for Floyd.

Let me know how many well established WW that Floyd fought. Meaning, not opponents that had 0, 1 or 2 fights at WW but guys who really proved that they are top WWs consistently.