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  • Jam Jars
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    #171
    He's dominated the division, by never facing the number 2 guy. Klitschko fans are hilarious........

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    • LacedUp
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      #172
      Originally posted by yoz
      Not surprising, that.
      I knew you'd probably pick up on that!

      Didn't mean it like that though. But it's like when Lennox lost to Rahman, it was a good thing, because he was beginning to be a bit sloppy etc.

      Perhaps not losing, but I'd like to see him face some adversity, have a tough fight, something like that.

      Most people thought Haye was that guy, he wasn't. Some people believe Povetkin is that guy, I don't think so. Maybe if Fury beats Haye? Fury moves quite well and he's certainly not the human punching bag that Wach was.

      Could be interesting.

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      • yoz
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        #173
        Originally posted by LacedUp
        I knew you'd probably pick up on that!

        Didn't mean it like that though. But it's like when Lennox lost to Rahman, it was a good thing, because he was beginning to be a bit sloppy etc.

        Perhaps not losing, but I'd like to see him face some adversity, have a tough fight, something like that.

        Most people thought Haye was that guy, he wasn't. Some people believe Povetkin is that guy, I don't think so. Maybe if Fury beats Haye? Fury moves quite well and he's certainly not the human punching bag that Wach was.

        Could be interesting.
        I totally agree. It'd be nice if he was tested; perhaps stunned. It's been some time since he has been on the canvas - S. Peter, I believe?

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        • yoz
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          #174
          Originally posted by Own3d
          He's dominated the division, by never facing the number 2 guy. Klitschko fans are hilarious........


          Here we go again...

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          • yoz
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            #175
            Originally posted by LacedUp

            Most people thought Haye was that guy, he wasn't. Some people believe Povetkin is that guy, I don't think so. Maybe if Fury beats Haye? Fury moves quite well and he's certainly not the human punching bag that Wach was.

            Could be interesting.
            I don't think Fury causes Wladimir any problems.

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            • LacedUp
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              #176
              Originally posted by yoz
              I totally agree. It'd be nice if he was tested; perhaps stunned. It's been some time since he has been on the canvas - S. Peter, I believe?
              I think so too. He was stunned momentarily by Wach, but recovered in no time, so don't really count it. I'd just like to see him in a dog fight. But it was the same with Lennox thoughout his career.

              We did get it in the end though.

              Originally posted by yoz
              I don't think Fury causes Wladimir any problems.
              Probably not. But more than Povetkin imo. Maybe Pulev? Chisora?

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              • Simurgh
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                #177
                I remember before Haye-Wlad fight Manny said it is 2nd biggest fight in his coach career.

                That fight didn't live up to hype but it was a big defining fight that Wlad won convincingly.

                As I said I don't have Wlad in top5 as yet, but I can see him easily ending up in there.
                Beating Povetkin + other top5 contender (Pulev) + next champion + not lose in next 2-3 years puts him there IMO.

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                • Hitman932
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                  #178
                  Originally posted by LacedUp
                  You realize you are talking about the guy who signed up to fight Chisora with 14 fights (twice) right?
                  So I point out that Larry Holmes, on 9 occasions, defended the HW title against an opponent with less than 20 wins...

                  And your rebuttal is that Wladimir almost fought 1 single solitary title defense against an opponent with less than 20 wins before ultimately calling off the fight in favor of the fight that every fan wanted to see against the man who knocked out the guy he "ducked".

                  As usual you fail to make any sense.

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                  • LacedUp
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                    #179
                    Originally posted by Hitman932
                    So I point out that Larry Holmes, on 9 occasions, defended the HW title against an opponent with less than 20 wins...

                    And your rebuttal is that Wladimir almost fought 1 single solitary title defense against an opponent with less than 20 wins before ultimately calling off the fight in favor of the fight that every fan wanted to see against the man who knocked out the guy he "ducked".

                    As usual you fail to make any sense.
                    The only thing that doesn't make any sense is you trying first of all, to dismiss the Chisora fights. I seem to remember Wlad sitting there saying "remember Ali and Spinks" and bla bla. You also completely disregard the quality of the opponents wins, for example that Wlad's last opponent, Pianeta, recently fought against the guy Audley Harrison fought in his pro debut and knocked out in 90 seconds or so.

                    So it's fine to call off, not one, but two fights against the same guy very late in the preparations in favour of the guy who'd give him a bigger payday?

                    I seem to remember a certain Klitschko family that was pissed with Haye for dropping out of a fight against them in favour of a bigger payday vs Valuev.

                    Once again, you fail to have any sort of objectivity in your post.

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                    • Stallion_
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                      #180
                      even if you exclude the crap opponents he has fought, then wlad has made almost half a dozen ok defences now. Adding Povetkin will complete that decent six. That matches greats like Jack Dempsey, for instance, even if its way below Holmes et al.
                      Jack Dempsey? Seriously, very pathetic.

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